Nikitin San Bartolome 1584 A.D. (Kit #35)

[Pathfinder65]

Yup, it's the little fiddly work that takes time. I would suggest that you dry fit the dummy cannons into the lower gun ports. The holes on the back wall of those ports need to be reamed out to get a good fit. I brush painted the interiors with several coats of MinWax Dark Oak. Depending on the final hull color I might adjust the interior color to match.

Your ports look good and to answer Frank there'll be a lot of cutting and fitting in those areas when the planking starts. I found that the first WALE (the plank that is tripled) sets the stage for the rest of the planking.

Jan

 

[Pathfinder65]

@Frank48, you are correct about the alignment.

I meant to add these photos of the plans to my response above.




The first plan shows the various gun port housing assemblies. The second plan shows the locations of those assemblies. There are some very slight variations in the construction of those housings and the openings in the hull need to be fiddled with to compensate.

Jan

 

[Frank48]

@Frank48, you are correct about he alignment.

I meant to add these photos of the plans to my response above.

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The first plan shows the various gun port housing assemblies. The second plan shows the locations of those assemblies. There are some very slight variations in the construction of those housings and the openings in the hull need to be fiddled with to compensate.

Jan

I took the liberty only to inform you.Frank

 

[Jagpilot]

Hi Pilot ,shouldn't the thresholds and shoulders be aligned with the keel?

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Not according to the plans. The parts are also cut in way that they are angled. There is at least an 3/16th difference forward and aft.

 

[Jagpilot]

Not according to the plans. The parts are also cut in way that they are angled. There is at least an 3/16th difference forward and aft.

 

[Jagpilot]

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Even with more observation and studying the plans, I think the cannon ports are following the curvature of the deck. If you look at the midship gun-ports they are parallel to the keel.

 

[Pathfinder65]

Even with more observation and studying the plans, I think the cannon ports are following the curvature of the deck. If you look at the midship gun-ports they are parallel to the keel.

 

[Frank48]

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Good morning Pilot, sorry, if you stick to the Kit ( plans) as it is drawn but ....., the gunboats vanna executed differently. Frank

 

[Jagpilot]

Good morning Pilot, sorry, if you stick to the Kit ( plans) as it is drawn but ....., the gunboats vanna executed differently. Frank

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Frank,
Thank you for your insight. I see your point. I think this kit is more a rendition of what the ship was in real life. To change the model ship in the way that you suggest would be a lot of work. The kit framing really dictates how everything lines up and everything is laser pre-cut. I am new to the group and you seem to be wealth of knowledge and will always welcome your input. Have a great day!

 

[Jagpilot]

Took a break from the main and started to work on some smaller parts of the kits. So I did some work on the cannons. Got to use my super mini-lathe.

 

[Pathfinder65]

That’s a neat little machine. Looks like it might be fun to work with.

Jan

 

[Uwek]

Before you fix the parts of the guns together, I would sand the surface of the wooden parts slightly, so you get a smoother surface
In moment, also by the view of these closeups, the surface is sometimes relatively rough.

At this time definitely the sills of the gunports were following the deck level - the decks of these ships had such a strong inclination, that they would have get bigger problems with handling of the guns with different heights on the left compared to the right side of the port

Take a look at, very extrem, the Vasa

Regalskeppet Vasa

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Vasa - 1:65 DeAgostini [COMPLETED BUILD]

Lookin Good Kurt

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[Jagpilot]

That’s a neat little machine. Looks like it might be fun to work with.

Jan

It actually is. Made fast work if the wheels. Well spent 50 bucks.

 

[Pathfinder65]

Take a look at, very extrem, the Vasa

@Uwek.

Wow, that photo is worth a thousand words. Thank you for the information. You can see in the build photos of the hull framing of the SB on the various build logs that there is not much wiggle room to modify those port locations.

Jan

 

[Pathfinder65]

It actually is. Made fast work if the wheels. Well spent 50 bucks.

Funny, I used a simpler or maybe more complicated method? I inserted a machine screw into the wheel, tightened that with a small nut, then chucked the assembly in my drill press and buffed it with 220 and 320 grit sandpaper. It took longer to prepare them than to finish them.

Jan

 

[Jagpilot]

Before you fix the parts of the guns together, I would sand the surface of the wooden parts slightly, so you get a smoother surface
In moment, also by the view of these closeups, the surface is sometimes relatively rough.

At this time definitely the sills of the gunports were following the deck level - the decks of these ships had such a strong inclination, that they would have get bigger problems with handling of the guns with different heights on the left compared to the right side of the port

Take a look at, very extrem, the Vasa

View attachment 387573

Regalskeppet Vasa

www.provomir.com

Vasa - 1:65 DeAgostini [COMPLETED BUILD]

Lookin Good Kurt

shipsofscale.com

Before you fix the parts of the guns together, I would sand the surface of the wooden parts slightly, so you get a smoother surface
In moment, also by the view of these closeups, the surface is sometimes relatively rough.

At this time definitely the sills of the gunports were following the deck level - the decks of these ships had such a strong inclination, that they would have get bigger problems with handling of the guns with different heights on the left compared to the right side of the port

Take a look at, very extrem, the Vasa

View attachment 387573

Regalskeppet Vasa

www.provomir.com

Vasa - 1:65 DeAgostini [COMPLETED BUILD]

Lookin Good Kurt

shipsofscale.com

Uwek,
That was my thought after studying the plans more. They seem to follow the deck for sure. As far as the cannon frames/cradles (Again probably a nautical term for them) go, they are just rough sanded for now. Once I finish assembling them all it’s off to the finishing shop where they will get the proper treatment.Thanks for the information and the reference of the Vasa it shows perfectly what I was trying to convey in my post.
I have always been fascinated by ships of this era. Their look has a mystique about them. For the time being all I have time to do build OOB. When I retire, I hope to be more in the actual nautical terms and history behind them. This, of course takes lots of time and re-search and I barely have time to build as it is.
Chris

 

[Uwek]

Uwek,
That was my thought after studying the plans more. They seem to follow the deck for sure. As far as the cannon frames/cradles (Again probably a nautical term for them) go, they are just rough sanded for now. Once I finish assembling them all it’s off to the finishing shop where they will get the proper treatment.Thanks for the information and the reference of the Vasa it shows perfectly what I was trying to convey in my post.
I have always been fascinated by ships of this era. Their look has a mystique about them. For the time being all I have time to do build OOB. When I retire, I hope to be more in the actual nautical terms and history behind them. This, of course takes lots of time and re-search and I barely have time to build as it is.
Chris

The special think with the Vasa is the fact, that the decks have the same alignement like the outer wales.
On other ships the wales have a different curvature - but the sills of the ports are following the deck curvatures

 

[Pathfinder65]

The special think with the Vasa is the fact, that the decks have the same alignement like the outer wales.
On other ships the wales have a different curvature - but the sills of the ports are following the deck curvatures

It is very interesting to learn how those ships evolved over the centuries.

Jan

 

[Magic Mike]

It actually is. Made fast work if the wheels. Well spent 50 bucks.

Jag, I love your mini lathe, where did you get it? Thanks, Magic Mike

 

[Jagpilot]

Jag, I love your mini lathe, where did you get it? Thanks, Magic Mike

Online Walmart. I can try to find it. Can you post a link in the forum?