- Joined
- Jul 8, 2018
- Messages
- 885
- Points
- 403
That’s why, for most of us at least, it’s called a hobby not a business.
cost of the hobby
- Thread starter Dave Stevens (Lumberyard)
- Start date
- Watchers 19
This list, so far, is only relevant to your particular built. And does not reflect at all the costs of building a kit.
All those extras are there because you decided to highly modify the kit.
SOS is full of amazing ships that have been built directly from the box or just slightly modified.
BTW, I will not include a tool that will be used for years to come.
All the best !!
Daniel
- Joined
- Aug 8, 2019
- Messages
- 4,141
- Points
- 688
The cost of my hobby room, include the hobby itself are about the 1500 euro. I bought most of the tools on the fleamarket. Small stuff on Aliexpress and use scratch. Only my Proxxon MF70 and the Scheppach Basa 1 I bought new in the store. It took half the budget. Just stay patience and look for nice secondhand deals. Even making your tools by yourself is good for your wallet.
I bought on marktplaats.nl a Proxxon FET for 100 euro, 2 DB 250 for 140 euro, a drill press for 30 euro, electric scrollsaw for 50 etc.
A part of the money for the tools was a gift and I made also money writing for the modelbouwer that I use for the tools. I think it is about the 600 I paid out of my own pocket. That makes the cost for the past 3,5 years about 40 cents a day
I bought on marktplaats.nl a Proxxon FET for 100 euro, 2 DB 250 for 140 euro, a drill press for 30 euro, electric scrollsaw for 50 etc.
A part of the money for the tools was a gift and I made also money writing for the modelbouwer that I use for the tools. I think it is about the 600 I paid out of my own pocket. That makes the cost for the past 3,5 years about 40 cents a day
Last edited:
These last postings are very interesting but the ocean currents are taking all us out of the OP (quoted) that was mainly showing the high shipping costs that will be affecting all our budgets.
Cheers
Daniel
The cost of those plank on frame kits is insane. I know I’d never spend that much on a kit. Thing is I’d say 90% of the people why might want to build a ship will go for one of the older type plank on bulkhead kits because they don’t have the desire, don’t have the space, don’t have the tools or want to buy them and just plain old wouldn’t be able to scratch build anyway. Sure tools aren’t cheap but you can buy alot of tools for what a POF kit costs.
Shipping is insane. It’s the fuel cost now being passed on. Important thing to remember is place one order instead of 2 or 3 and buy as much as possible through Amazon with free shipping.
Lumber and construction materials are high still because of Covid in fact many many products are still affected by that too.
Shipping is insane. It’s the fuel cost now being passed on. Important thing to remember is place one order instead of 2 or 3 and buy as much as possible through Amazon with free shipping.
Lumber and construction materials are high still because of Covid in fact many many products are still affected by that too.
- Joined
- Dec 1, 2016
- Messages
- 5,135
- Points
- 728
In case you're curious, here is the full list of costs building HMS Sovereign of the Seas so far...
there are many circumstances with building a model. I built a 3/8 scale Tecumseth for under $100.00
1 i have all the tools needed
2 i used local wood so there was no shipping involved
3 i drew my own plans
my only cost was the laser cutting and i could avoid that by cutting all the parts out myself on my 10 inch bandsaw.
I have heard you can never sell a model for what you have really put into it based on your time as a skilled model ship maker.
For the Tecumseth model even though i have very little invested in materials the time from research, drawing and building adds up to hundreds of hours. I would never expect to get a reasonable wage for my time. I would have to ask $12,000.00 to $18,000.00 for the model. that is not something the average person will purchase and at that price it better be as close to perfect as you can get.
There is a hard line between a one of a kind original work of art and an off the shelf mass produced production product. An original Hahn ship model sells for $35,000.00 and up even a well done hand built reproduction starts at $10,000.00 and up depending on the model and quality of the build.
90% of this hobby is made up of kit builders, as the cost keeps going up up and away for raw materials, wages, shipping etc the cost of kits and the hobby are becoming something for only those who can afford it. The cost keeps going up but the end value of a model remaind the same which is 4 times the cost of the kit.
| Total | $4,077.13 |
there are many circumstances with building a model. I built a 3/8 scale Tecumseth for under $100.00
1 i have all the tools needed
2 i used local wood so there was no shipping involved
3 i drew my own plans
my only cost was the laser cutting and i could avoid that by cutting all the parts out myself on my 10 inch bandsaw.
I have heard you can never sell a model for what you have really put into it based on your time as a skilled model ship maker.
For the Tecumseth model even though i have very little invested in materials the time from research, drawing and building adds up to hundreds of hours. I would never expect to get a reasonable wage for my time. I would have to ask $12,000.00 to $18,000.00 for the model. that is not something the average person will purchase and at that price it better be as close to perfect as you can get.
There is a hard line between a one of a kind original work of art and an off the shelf mass produced production product. An original Hahn ship model sells for $35,000.00 and up even a well done hand built reproduction starts at $10,000.00 and up depending on the model and quality of the build.
90% of this hobby is made up of kit builders, as the cost keeps going up up and away for raw materials, wages, shipping etc the cost of kits and the hobby are becoming something for only those who can afford it. The cost keeps going up but the end value of a model remaind the same which is 4 times the cost of the kit.
- Joined
- Dec 1, 2016
- Messages
- 5,135
- Points
- 728
what attracts a would be model ship model builder is seeing that plank on frame model with lots of cannons, beautiful stern carvings and figurehead and that complex web of rigging. So you begin to search kits and soon realize the high cost plus shipping and the other taxes and charges and you do not even have the tools which is another big expense. If your goal is to build plank on frame then start out building plank on frame, a plank on bulkhead kit may sharpen your skills but it is a totally different animal than plank on frame and it does not teach you how it is done.
The cost of those plank on frame kits is insane. I know I’d never spend that much on a kit. Thing is I’d say 90% of the people why might want to build a ship will go for one of the older type plank on bulkhead kits because they don’t have the desire, don’t have the space, don’t have the tools or want to buy them and just plain old wouldn’t be able to scratch build anyway. Sure tools aren’t cheap but you can buy alot of tools for what a POF kit costs.
Shipping is insane.
i am building this plank on frame model with nothing more than a few magnets, rubber bands, a Dremel tool, razor saw and exacto blades. As far as taking up space it is not much bigger than my lap top computer. Rather than making expensive, complex high end kits the new idea is making simple, affordable and fun projects end result is a quality plank on frame model. How do you cut costs and not quality? well first there is no fancy printed box, no 100 page instruction manual, no printed plans, no need for expensive tools. downloadable frame drawings and on line build log replaced printed instructions in any language by using Google translate.
We have the inovative thinking and technology to move this hobby forward and affordable.
The cost of those plank on frame kits is insane. I know I’d never spend that much on a kit. Thing is I’d say 90% of the people why might want to build a ship will go for one of the older type plank on bulkhead kits because they don’t have the desire, don’t have the space, don’t have the tools or want to buy them and just plain old wouldn’t be able to scratch build anyway. Sure tools aren’t cheap but you can buy alot of tools for what a POF kit costs.
Shipping is insane.
i am building this plank on frame model with nothing more than a few magnets, rubber bands, a Dremel tool, razor saw and exacto blades. As far as taking up space it is not much bigger than my lap top computer. Rather than making expensive, complex high end kits the new idea is making simple, affordable and fun projects end result is a quality plank on frame model. How do you cut costs and not quality? well first there is no fancy printed box, no 100 page instruction manual, no printed plans, no need for expensive tools. downloadable frame drawings and on line build log replaced printed instructions in any language by using Google translate.
We have the inovative thinking and technology to move this hobby forward and affordable.
Is Bradford Pear any good for model wood? I just saw a video that says South Carolina is trying to eliminate this species. They are offering a bounty to people that cut it down.
Personally, I believe it is much easier to place a price on a kit built model than a heavily modified one or scratch built one. It's easy to put a price figure on materials, but the time, not so much. Much less the satisfaction and sense of accomplishment gained from building it. I would probably not sell my model, unless I had an offer from some private buyer who shared the same love for these old ships that I do. It would be difficult to come up with a fair price. They only way would be by finding out what someone is wiling to pay, which means researching the results of those few model sales are out there.
It HAS to be better than basswood!
Kurt Konrath
Kurt Konrath
Don, the person to ask would be Dave from the Lumber yard.
- Joined
- Dec 1, 2016
- Messages
- 5,135
- Points
- 728
Why Shipping Is So Expensive in 2022 and How to Navigate It
Why Shipping Is So Expensive in 2022 and How to Navigate It | OptimoRoute
Discover the key factors that led to the current rise in shipping prices and ways in which businesses can mitigate their shipping costs.
optimoroute.com
- Joined
- Dec 1, 2016
- Messages
- 5,135
- Points
- 728
it is one of the top woods for model building very fine texture and a gold color.
Ohio also banned the tree because like Walnut the Bradford Pears kills all other plants around it and takes over. They are a small tree with a trunk maybe 4 feet and the biggest i have seen is about 9 inch diameter.
Not a lot of wood in each tree then. Still, I managed to build the Discovery with Hazel and the largest trunk was 4" so it can be done.
- Joined
- Dec 1, 2016
- Messages
- 5,135
- Points
- 728
i agree a 4 inch log is very useful i have a lot of Bradford Pear
In case you're curious, here is the full list of costs building HMS Sovereign of the Seas so far...
Date purchased Quantity & Items Store Price 12/19/2017 Book: Sovereign of the Sea, The Quest to Build the Perfect Renaissance Battleship Amazon.com 8/24/2018 Deagostini HMS Sovereign of the Seas kit, all 135 Issues + 85.00 shipping eBay 9/9/2018 Build Sovereign of the Seas Paint Set Model Space USA 12/28/2018 9V 2A AC/DC Power Adapter 18W Charger for IEIK UNO R3, Arduino UNO Amazon.com 12/28/2018 UNO Project Basic Starter Kit with Tutorial and UNO R3 for Arduino Amazon.com 1/25/2019 Amati HMS Sovereign of the Seas drawings Cornwall Model Boats Co. 2/5/2019 Amati SotS Decoration Set & Stern Lantern Set Static Naval Models 2/18/2019 Craft Liquid One Step Leafing Paint, 0.75-Ounce, Classic Gold Amazon.com 3/27/2019 11 x A4169 deco barrels (36mm), 50 x AMNC065 Columns, 8 x RB01132 (32mm brass), 21 plain barrels (25mm white & bronze), 27 x A4168 deco barrels (28mm) Cornwall Model Boats Co. 5/29/2019 30 x Amati cannon barrels AL4168 (28mm) Modelers Central 5/24/2019 9 x A4169 deco barrels (36mm), 4 x A4168 deco barrels (28mm), 1 x AMNC050 Rudder hinge, 8 plain brass barrels AL8638 (30mm) Cornwall Model Boats Co. 5/30/2019 30 x Amati AL4168 (28mm) cannon barrels (spares) Modelers Central 5/30/2019 50 x Bass wood strips 1/16 X 1/4 eBay (Alvin) 6/10/2019 50 x Bass wood strips 1/16 X 1/4 eBay (Alvin) 6/14/2019 6 Amati AL8725 300 deco barrels (30mm), 2 x metal buckets Scale Model Supplies 6/14/2019 Atesania Latina 27301 Micro Shapers No.2 Amazon.com 10/9/2019 Sovereign of the Seas: Die Skulpturen des britischen Königsschiffes von 1637 (book) Amazon.com 10/14/2019 Sovereign of the Seas, 1637: A Reconstruction of the Most Powerful Warship of its Day (book preordered) Amazon.com 11/12/2019 3 x Falkonet - F55UT Wood cleat (pearwood) - 5.5 mm width - Pack of 10 pcs, 4 x Falkonet - F25B1 - Single Block 2.5mm Pear Wood - Pack of 10 pcs, 1 x Falkonet - F35B3 - Triple Block 3.5mm Pear Wood - Pack of 10 pcs, 2 x Falkonet - F25B2 - Double Block 2.5mm Pear Wood - Pack of 10 pcs Model Expo 2/9/2020 5mm Triangular Deadeyes, 7mm Deadeyes Cornwall Model Boats Co. 5/10/2020 2 x Flags (pennants), 1 x 3mm brass hooks (120 per set) HiS Model 7/7/2020 Brass Hooks, 0.125" tall, 0.075"wide, 0.023" hole DIA eBay (Brass Dog Ornaments) 7/7/2020 Brass Hooks, 0.15" tall, 0.087"wide, 0.018" hole DIA eBay (Brass Dog Ornaments) 7/25/2020 HFPKPRO05 Etched Brass Roman Numerals Hasslefree Miniatures 9/15/2020 COREL LINE 0.25MM X 40M BEIGE, 2 x Falkonet Wood cleat (pearwood) 5.5 mm width Pack of 10, Model Shipways Beautiful Single Blocks 3.5 mm 20 Pack, 3 x Model Shipways Beautiful Single Blocks 3.0 mm 20 Pack Model Expo 11/16/2020 Wood and Brackets for Model Base Assembly and Lamp Cord Menards 11/17/2020 Misc Basswood Pieces (blocks, flat, square dowels) Menards 11/19/2020 3mm Plywood, Misc Basswood Pieces (blocks, flat) Menards 11/23/2020 5/8" Basswood square dowel Menards 11/30/2020 Balsa Wood (7 1/2"x3"x24", 4 3/4"x3/4"x24") National Balsa 12/6/2020 Glue tips, 1/16" brass Tube, 1/8"x1/8" Cherry and 1/16"x1/8" & 1/16"x1/8" Walnut Wood Strips Hub Hobby 12/6/2020 Colored Veneers, Wood Filler Rockler 3/25/2021 Dremel 225-01- Flex Shaft Rotary Tool Attachment with Comfort Grip and 36" Long Cable Amazon.com 3/28/2021 3 Dremel engraving cutters, 1 diamond point cutter, sanding block, diamond file set Menards 4/26/2021 40 1x5mm Lime strips, 40 0.6x4mm Tanganyika strips Modelers's Central 5/2/2021 4136/10 Very Fine Pins 10mm (200) × 3 $8.25
4384/06 Mast Parrels with Spacers 6mm × 2 $5.22
4395/10 Mast Foot Bronzed 10mm × 1 $0.94
4395/08 Mast Foot Bronzed 8mm × 2 $1.64
Chain-4406/01 Futtock Strop & Hooks for 3mm Deadeyes (10) × 4 $8.04
Chain-4406/02 Futtock Strop & Hooks for 5mm Deadeyes (10) × 4 $9.48
4356 Deck Pump 15mm × 4WoodenModelShipKit.com 5/3/2021 2 x Titebond II 16 oz., 3 x Frog Masking Tape Menards 5/6/2021 4 x 1/4"x1/4"x24" Mahogany, #11 Razor knife blades, 2 x 3/16"x3"x24 Mahogany, 3/32"x3"x24" Walnut, 23 x 3/32"x3/32"x24" Walnut, 2 oz. CA Glue Hub Hobby 5/21/2021 240 x Brass Gun Port Hinge eBay (jiangxuezuimei) 5/21/2021 2 x Gratings (5) 33mm long, 1x1 mm square, 60 pieces each
Model Shipways Beautiful 2.0 mm Single Wood Blocks, 20 Pack
2 x Model Shipways Beautiful 3.0 mm Single Wood Blocks, 20 PackModel Expo 5/21/2021 3 x Detail Associates 2530 Brass Flat Bar .015" x .060, six 12" pieces eBay 5/23/2021 4" x 5" x 0.005" Mica Sheet ebay (Stovemica.com) 5/31/2021 1/4" Prick Punch 6/1/2021 10 x 33mm x 1mm square gratings Historic Ships 6/1/2021 2 x Handmade Miniature Rope (Tan) - 0.6mm (0.024"), 8 x Deadeyes triangular (10 pcs) - 1/8" (3.0mm), 8 x Grating - 1 9/16" x 1 9/16" (40mm x 40mm) (0.6mm hole) Crafty Sailor 6/1/2021 2 x Excel Blades #18 Wood Chisel Blade, 1/2", 5 per pack. Amazon.com 6/8/2021 4 x Amati Decorated Barrels 36mm AM4169, 2 x Amati Decorated Cannon w/metal carriage 40mm AM4162, 8 x Angled Step Ladder, 12mm wide, AM4320/12 Ages of Sail 6/11/2021 6" curved Forceps, Scissors Sportsmans Guide 6/11/2021 Eyebolts, Bell, 3 spools 0.30 mm tan line Scale Model Supplies 6/14/2021 3 x Brass eyelets - 100pcs HiSModel 6/14/2021 2 x Historical gun barrel, L=40/R 7,0 HiSModel 6/14/2021 2 x decorative cannon barrel - lenght 45 mm HiSModel 6/14/2021 Offset ring needles - pack of 100pcs, black HiSModel 6/14/2021 5 x Clamp triangular deadeyes 3mm/w.0,3mm/10pcs HiSModel 6/14/2021 4 x Clamp Triangular deadeyes 5mm/w.0,5mm/10pcs HiSModel 6/14/2021 4 x Clamp Triangular deadeyes 7mm/w.0,5mm/10pcs HiSModel 6/14/2021 2 x Parral - Ribs triple/28pcs + trucks-black patination HiSModel 6/14/2021 400 x Brass ring Ø2 mm HiSModel 6/14/2021 8 x CNC Sheed Block 6mm HiSModel 6/14/2021 4 x CNC Violin Block 6mm + $10.90 shipping HiSModel 8/12/2021 2 ft Brass Bead Wire (1mm/1.4mm) Etsy (QFMarket) 8/24/2021 Cherry Wood Strips 1/16"x1/16"x24", 6 pack Model Expo 8/28/2021 2mm and 3mm Deadeyes, 1/8" Round Dowels, Hawser
Scale Model Supplies 8/28/2021 Camel Bristled Paintbrush Hub Hobby 9/14/2021 Eyelets diameter 1.5mm/w,0.3mm/50pcs-black patination, Eyelets diameter 1mm/w,0.2mm/50pcs-black patination HiS Model 9/14/2021 4 x Capstan, 16mm Crafty Sailor 9/14/2021 16 3mm 3V LED's, Thin Twisted Kynar Wire (red and black) Evan Designs 9/18/2021 50 3mm Triangular Deadeyes Crafty Sailor 9/18/2021 106 x Metal strops for 2mm Single blocks, 106 x Metal Strops for 2mm Double blocks, 200 1mm DIA eyelets, 70 x Metal Strops for 3mm Trangular Deadeyes, 40 x Metal Strops for 5mm Trangular Deadeyes, 30 x Metal Strops for 7mm Trangular Deadeyes HiS Model 10/24/2021 24 chip LED's, 3' of 1/16"shrink tube Evan Designs 11/3/2021 Cannon Barrel - Brown - Plain - 1-1/2inch (38mm) × 14 Modelers Central 11/29/2021 3 x Brass Cannon Barrels 10 pcs/lot D5*36mm eBay 12/14/2021 3 x Set of Two Ladder Railings, Plastic, HO scale MicroMark 12/25/2021 10x Five 28mm Walnut Columns from Caldercraft Cornwall Model Boats Co. 12/28/2021 7 x Model Shipways Tanganyika Strips .5x4x(500mm) 12 Pack Model Expo 12/30/2021 Rudder hinges, Copper Door Hinges, Copper 1mm eyelets, Needle Nosed Pliers, Brass Bell Scale Model Supplies 12/31/2021 4 x Pearwood Shroud Cleats 5mm (12/pack), 3 x brass pins 0.3mm DIA 0.5mm Head DIA (200 each) Drydock Models and Parts 1/9/2022 1x3mm Walnut Strips, Poplar Dowels- 1/4", 5/16", 1/2" & 5/8" Hub Hobby 1/9/2022 Standing Rigging Cotton Cable laid (left S) Brown Rigging Line Ropes of Scale 2/12/2022 0.6mm blackened chain Hub Hobby 2/12/2022 Wood Strips: 9 x 1/16"x1/8" Cherry, 15 x 1/16"x1/8" Walnut, Wood Sheet: 3 x 1/16"x3"x24" Walnut, 2 x 3/32"x3"x24" Walnut, 2 x 1/4"x3"x24" Walnut Hub Hobby 2/26/2022 5 x 1.5mm boxwood single blocks (10 each), 5 x 1.5mm boxwood double blocks (10 each), 4 x 5mm boxwood violin blocks Drydock Models and Parts 3/16/2021 10 Tanganica strips 0.5mm x 5mm x 100 cm Ages of Sail 4/17/2022 Mini Electric Belt Sander Multispeed Polishing Grinder Machine with mModel 895 Motor eBay 4/19/2022 Acrylic Paint; White, Black, Gun Carriage Red, Deck Light Gray, Primer Model Expo 5/21/2022 8 Tanganica strips 0.5mm x 5mm x 100 cm, 6mm x 36" limewood dowel Ages of Sail 5/31/2022 9 1/16"x1/8"x2' Walnut, 6 1/8"x1/8"x2' Cherry, #1 Razor Knife blades (15) w/dispenser Hub Hobby 6/12/2022 10x Five 28mm Walnut Columns from Caldercraft, 10 x Amati 4120 Cask Wood 10mm. Cornwall Model Boats Co. 6/19/2022 24 Nano Yellow LED's and 8 Pico Yellow LED's Evan Designs 7/6/2022 1m of Navara Fine White Lawn cloth for sails WBL Fabrics 7/17/2022 Turkish Sailors Artillery XVI-XVII Century -- Plastic Model Military Figures -- 1/72 -- #72080 Hobbylinc Total
Its that high because you're buying every part. making the parts would be cheaper. sure you need raw materials but the cost is much lower. Also if that's a kit why are you buying so many more parts ? Tools don't count as that's an initial investment in any hobby. I agree Dave. People want to start at the top. It doesn't work. 99.9% of those who buy an expensive 64 gunner as a first model either don't finish it at all or in the end its so bad its hardly a ship model. In fact that number is very high for all types of ship kits not just big gunners. Either people have the aptitude and manual dexterity and are capable of working with their hands or they don't, most don't as I'm sure we've all seen.In case you're curious, here is the full list of costs building HMS Sovereign of the Seas so far...
Date purchased Quantity & Items Store Price 12/19/2017 Book: Sovereign of the Sea, The Quest to Build the Perfect Renaissance Battleship Amazon.com 8/24/2018 Deagostini HMS Sovereign of the Seas kit, all 135 Issues + 85.00 shipping eBay 9/9/2018 Build Sovereign of the Seas Paint Set Model Space USA 12/28/2018 9V 2A AC/DC Power Adapter 18W Charger for IEIK UNO R3, Arduino UNO Amazon.com 12/28/2018 UNO Project Basic Starter Kit with Tutorial and UNO R3 for Arduino Amazon.com 1/25/2019 Amati HMS Sovereign of the Seas drawings Cornwall Model Boats Co. 2/5/2019 Amati SotS Decoration Set & Stern Lantern Set Static Naval Models 2/18/2019 Craft Liquid One Step Leafing Paint, 0.75-Ounce, Classic Gold Amazon.com 3/27/2019 11 x A4169 deco barrels (36mm), 50 x AMNC065 Columns, 8 x RB01132 (32mm brass), 21 plain barrels (25mm white & bronze), 27 x A4168 deco barrels (28mm) Cornwall Model Boats Co. 5/29/2019 30 x Amati cannon barrels AL4168 (28mm) Modelers Central 5/24/2019 9 x A4169 deco barrels (36mm), 4 x A4168 deco barrels (28mm), 1 x AMNC050 Rudder hinge, 8 plain brass barrels AL8638 (30mm) Cornwall Model Boats Co. 5/30/2019 30 x Amati AL4168 (28mm) cannon barrels (spares) Modelers Central 5/30/2019 50 x Bass wood strips 1/16 X 1/4 eBay (Alvin) 6/10/2019 50 x Bass wood strips 1/16 X 1/4 eBay (Alvin) 6/14/2019 6 Amati AL8725 300 deco barrels (30mm), 2 x metal buckets Scale Model Supplies 6/14/2019 Atesania Latina 27301 Micro Shapers No.2 Amazon.com 10/9/2019 Sovereign of the Seas: Die Skulpturen des britischen Königsschiffes von 1637 (book) Amazon.com 10/14/2019 Sovereign of the Seas, 1637: A Reconstruction of the Most Powerful Warship of its Day (book preordered) Amazon.com 11/12/2019 3 x Falkonet - F55UT Wood cleat (pearwood) - 5.5 mm width - Pack of 10 pcs, 4 x Falkonet - F25B1 - Single Block 2.5mm Pear Wood - Pack of 10 pcs, 1 x Falkonet - F35B3 - Triple Block 3.5mm Pear Wood - Pack of 10 pcs, 2 x Falkonet - F25B2 - Double Block 2.5mm Pear Wood - Pack of 10 pcs Model Expo 2/9/2020 5mm Triangular Deadeyes, 7mm Deadeyes Cornwall Model Boats Co. 5/10/2020 2 x Flags (pennants), 1 x 3mm brass hooks (120 per set) HiS Model 7/7/2020 Brass Hooks, 0.125" tall, 0.075"wide, 0.023" hole DIA eBay (Brass Dog Ornaments) 7/7/2020 Brass Hooks, 0.15" tall, 0.087"wide, 0.018" hole DIA eBay (Brass Dog Ornaments) 7/25/2020 HFPKPRO05 Etched Brass Roman Numerals Hasslefree Miniatures 9/15/2020 COREL LINE 0.25MM X 40M BEIGE, 2 x Falkonet Wood cleat (pearwood) 5.5 mm width Pack of 10, Model Shipways Beautiful Single Blocks 3.5 mm 20 Pack, 3 x Model Shipways Beautiful Single Blocks 3.0 mm 20 Pack Model Expo 11/16/2020 Wood and Brackets for Model Base Assembly and Lamp Cord Menards 11/17/2020 Misc Basswood Pieces (blocks, flat, square dowels) Menards 11/19/2020 3mm Plywood, Misc Basswood Pieces (blocks, flat) Menards 11/23/2020 5/8" Basswood square dowel Menards 11/30/2020 Balsa Wood (7 1/2"x3"x24", 4 3/4"x3/4"x24") National Balsa 12/6/2020 Glue tips, 1/16" brass Tube, 1/8"x1/8" Cherry and 1/16"x1/8" & 1/16"x1/8" Walnut Wood Strips Hub Hobby 12/6/2020 Colored Veneers, Wood Filler Rockler 3/25/2021 Dremel 225-01- Flex Shaft Rotary Tool Attachment with Comfort Grip and 36" Long Cable Amazon.com 3/28/2021 3 Dremel engraving cutters, 1 diamond point cutter, sanding block, diamond file set Menards 4/26/2021 40 1x5mm Lime strips, 40 0.6x4mm Tanganyika strips Modelers's Central 5/2/2021 4136/10 Very Fine Pins 10mm (200) × 3 $8.25
4384/06 Mast Parrels with Spacers 6mm × 2 $5.22
4395/10 Mast Foot Bronzed 10mm × 1 $0.94
4395/08 Mast Foot Bronzed 8mm × 2 $1.64
Chain-4406/01 Futtock Strop & Hooks for 3mm Deadeyes (10) × 4 $8.04
Chain-4406/02 Futtock Strop & Hooks for 5mm Deadeyes (10) × 4 $9.48
4356 Deck Pump 15mm × 4WoodenModelShipKit.com 5/3/2021 2 x Titebond II 16 oz., 3 x Frog Masking Tape Menards 5/6/2021 4 x 1/4"x1/4"x24" Mahogany, #11 Razor knife blades, 2 x 3/16"x3"x24 Mahogany, 3/32"x3"x24" Walnut, 23 x 3/32"x3/32"x24" Walnut, 2 oz. CA Glue Hub Hobby 5/21/2021 240 x Brass Gun Port Hinge eBay (jiangxuezuimei) 5/21/2021 2 x Gratings (5) 33mm long, 1x1 mm square, 60 pieces each
Model Shipways Beautiful 2.0 mm Single Wood Blocks, 20 Pack
2 x Model Shipways Beautiful 3.0 mm Single Wood Blocks, 20 PackModel Expo 5/21/2021 3 x Detail Associates 2530 Brass Flat Bar .015" x .060, six 12" pieces eBay 5/23/2021 4" x 5" x 0.005" Mica Sheet ebay (Stovemica.com) 5/31/2021 1/4" Prick Punch 6/1/2021 10 x 33mm x 1mm square gratings Historic Ships 6/1/2021 2 x Handmade Miniature Rope (Tan) - 0.6mm (0.024"), 8 x Deadeyes triangular (10 pcs) - 1/8" (3.0mm), 8 x Grating - 1 9/16" x 1 9/16" (40mm x 40mm) (0.6mm hole) Crafty Sailor 6/1/2021 2 x Excel Blades #18 Wood Chisel Blade, 1/2", 5 per pack. Amazon.com 6/8/2021 4 x Amati Decorated Barrels 36mm AM4169, 2 x Amati Decorated Cannon w/metal carriage 40mm AM4162, 8 x Angled Step Ladder, 12mm wide, AM4320/12 Ages of Sail 6/11/2021 6" curved Forceps, Scissors Sportsmans Guide 6/11/2021 Eyebolts, Bell, 3 spools 0.30 mm tan line Scale Model Supplies 6/14/2021 3 x Brass eyelets - 100pcs HiSModel 6/14/2021 2 x Historical gun barrel, L=40/R 7,0 HiSModel 6/14/2021 2 x decorative cannon barrel - lenght 45 mm HiSModel 6/14/2021 Offset ring needles - pack of 100pcs, black HiSModel 6/14/2021 5 x Clamp triangular deadeyes 3mm/w.0,3mm/10pcs HiSModel 6/14/2021 4 x Clamp Triangular deadeyes 5mm/w.0,5mm/10pcs HiSModel 6/14/2021 4 x Clamp Triangular deadeyes 7mm/w.0,5mm/10pcs HiSModel 6/14/2021 2 x Parral - Ribs triple/28pcs + trucks-black patination HiSModel 6/14/2021 400 x Brass ring Ø2 mm HiSModel 6/14/2021 8 x CNC Sheed Block 6mm HiSModel 6/14/2021 4 x CNC Violin Block 6mm + $10.90 shipping HiSModel 8/12/2021 2 ft Brass Bead Wire (1mm/1.4mm) Etsy (QFMarket) 8/24/2021 Cherry Wood Strips 1/16"x1/16"x24", 6 pack Model Expo 8/28/2021 2mm and 3mm Deadeyes, 1/8" Round Dowels, Scale Model Supplies 8/28/2021 Camel Bristled Paintbrush Hub Hobby 9/14/2021 Eyelets diameter 1.5mm/w,0.3mm/50pcs-black patination, Eyelets diameter 1mm/w,0.2mm/50pcs-black patination HiS Model 9/14/2021 4 x Capstan, 16mm Crafty Sailor 9/14/2021 16 3mm 3V LED's, Thin Twisted Kynar Wire (red and black) Evan Designs 9/18/2021 50 3mm Triangular Deadeyes Crafty Sailor 9/18/2021 106 x Metal strops for 2mm Single blocks, 106 x Metal Strops for 2mm Double blocks, 200 1mm DIA eyelets, 70 x Metal Strops for 3mm Trangular Deadeyes, 40 x Metal Strops for 5mm Trangular Deadeyes, 30 x Metal Strops for 7mm Trangular Deadeyes HiS Model 10/24/2021 24 chip LED's, 3' of 1/16"shrink tube Evan Designs 11/3/2021 Cannon Barrel - Brown - Plain - 1-1/2inch (38mm) × 14 Modelers Central 11/29/2021 3 x Brass Cannon Barrels 10 pcs/lot D5*36mm eBay 12/14/2021 3 x Set of Two Ladder Railings, Plastic, HO scale MicroMark 12/25/2021 10x Five 28mm Walnut Columns from Caldercraft Cornwall Model Boats Co. 12/28/2021 7 x Model Shipways Tanganyika Strips .5x4x(500mm) 12 Pack Model Expo 12/30/2021 Rudder hinges, Copper Door Hinges, Copper 1mm eyelets, Needle Nosed Pliers, Brass Bell Scale Model Supplies 12/31/2021 4 x Pearwood Shroud Cleats 5mm (12/pack), 3 x brass pins 0.3mm DIA 0.5mm Head DIA (200 each) Drydock Models and Parts 1/9/2022 1x3mm Walnut Strips, Poplar Dowels- 1/4", 5/16", 1/2" & 5/8" Hub Hobby 1/9/2022 Standing Rigging Cotton Cable laid (left S) Brown Rigging Line Ropes of Scale 2/12/2022 0.6mm blackened chain Hub Hobby 2/12/2022 Wood Strips: 9 x 1/16"x1/8" Cherry, 15 x 1/16"x1/8" Walnut, Wood Sheet: 3 x 1/16"x3"x24" Walnut, 2 x 3/32"x3"x24" Walnut, 2 x 1/4"x3"x24" Walnut Hub Hobby 2/26/2022 5 x 1.5mm boxwood single blocks (10 each), 5 x 1.5mm boxwood double blocks (10 each), 4 x 5mm boxwood violin blocks Drydock Models and Parts 3/16/2021 10 Tanganica strips 0.5mm x 5mm x 100 cm Ages of Sail 4/17/2022 Mini Electric Belt Sander Multispeed Polishing Grinder Machine with mModel 895 Motor eBay 4/19/2022 Acrylic Paint; White, Black, Gun Carriage Red, Deck Light Gray, Primer Model Expo 5/21/2022 8 Tanganica strips 0.5mm x 5mm x 100 cm, 6mm x 36" limewood dowel Ages of Sail 5/31/2022 9 1/16"x1/8"x2' Walnut, 6 1/8"x1/8"x2' Cherry, #1 Razor Knife blades (15) w/dispenser Hub Hobby 6/12/2022 10x Five 28mm Walnut Columns from Caldercraft, 10 x Amati 4120 Cask Wood 10mm. Cornwall Model Boats Co. 6/19/2022 24 Nano Yellow LED's and 8 Pico Yellow LED's Evan Designs 7/6/2022 1m of Navara Fine White Lawn cloth for sails WBL Fabrics 7/17/2022 Turkish Sailors Artillery XVI-XVII Century -- Plastic Model Military Figures -- 1/72 -- #72080 Hobbylinc Total
- Joined
- Jul 8, 2018
- Messages
- 885
- Points
- 403
I agree. If tools enter into the equation then my first model ship cost way over $100k just for tools.
Where do you draw the line? The cost of your home where your build takes place. The cost of your automobile because you used it to pick up a few parts?
Now of course if you’re using these costs for tax purpose’s claiming you are a ship builder
- Joined
- Dec 1, 2016
- Messages
- 5,135
- Points
- 728
cost of tool would count if you are just getting into the hobby.
if say you built plactic model kits and now you want to get into wooden ship models, first you need the tools and that depends if you are planning to build from scratch then you need power tools up front or build from kits. So lets say the "startup costs" in this hobby can get expensive. At one time the question was how to get a younger generation into the hobby? i believe it is not lack of interest or lack of information the internet is cram packed with information. I think the issue is the hobby is just to expensive. When it cost $80.00 for gas to fill your tank and $320.00 at the grocery store the last thing on the list is a $600.00 model kit plus another $100.00 for shipping.
We can not change the cost of shipping that is in the hands of big brother but we can tweek the hobby to make it a bit more affordable.
i just got caught up in a "refund" i bought an item off Ebay for $20.00 and it was not what i expected so the seller said send it back and i will refund your $20.00 ya right! it cost me $14.00 for postage to send it back.
if say you built plactic model kits and now you want to get into wooden ship models, first you need the tools and that depends if you are planning to build from scratch then you need power tools up front or build from kits. So lets say the "startup costs" in this hobby can get expensive. At one time the question was how to get a younger generation into the hobby? i believe it is not lack of interest or lack of information the internet is cram packed with information. I think the issue is the hobby is just to expensive. When it cost $80.00 for gas to fill your tank and $320.00 at the grocery store the last thing on the list is a $600.00 model kit plus another $100.00 for shipping.
We can not change the cost of shipping that is in the hands of big brother but we can tweek the hobby to make it a bit more affordable.
i just got caught up in a "refund" i bought an item off Ebay for $20.00 and it was not what i expected so the seller said send it back and i will refund your $20.00 ya right! it cost me $14.00 for postage to send it back.
Last edited:
- Joined
- Dec 1, 2016
- Messages
- 5,135
- Points
- 728
i can not count the cost of tools because over the years i have collected enough tools to scratch build models. As a matter of fact i am on my second round of tools, those little hobby size tools are not a long term investment they burn up because they are light duty or occasional use. One by one all those hobby size tools ended up in the trash and replaced.
Agree but if we want to play we have to pay. nothing is free. I was fortunate I had the majority of the tools needed before I got into wooden ships as I had done other modeling in different materials. What I didn't have I bought over time when I needed it. I am a tool guy, have worked with tools of all type's since I was a kid and through my career so having the right tool for the job is key. At this stage of the game I still have to buy more tools, a Proxxon Mill and a larger mini table saw. If I want to scratch build a full ship now I need them.
Getting young people or old into the hobby depends on many factors not just cost. Todays young people aren't interested in history which is usually the main reason we start modeling old things be it trains, planes or ships. They are however interested in electronics and they like RC stuff hence most hobby shops are 90% RC. Kids today just don't get the satisfaction out of building something that in the end is static. As I said before though, someone entering the hobby doesn't need or really want a 3 masted big gunner. There are kits in a reasonable price range that can be build with a minimal investment in tools. Take advantage of all the sellers on amazon, shop price for shipping if you must pay to ship.
All in all our hobby is very very small in the big picture. We're a tiny community, not just wooden ships, all modeling. The majority of people cant fathom what we do and why. That's societal.