Hohenzollernmodell 1660-1670 Scale 1/75 POF build by Stephan Kertész (Steef66)

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Did I understand correctly that the scheerstrook was only an aid during construction. This part was no longer present on the finished hull. So it was removed as construction progressed?
 
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Did I understand correctly that the scheerstrook was only an aid during construction. This part was no longer present on the finished hull. So it was removed as construction progressed?
Yes exactly it demand the shear of the ship and positions needed during build
 
Hello Stephan,

While I thoroughly enjoy your build log and especially the discussions surrounding your build, the scheerstrook discussion is now officially over my head. I tried to follow all what was written about the subject, but I completely lost it. First I thought it was the first plank on the upper hull, being used as reference for all planks and wales to follow, now I realize it was a temporary plank. Also the shape of the scheerstrook in the side view of the ship doesn't make sense to me, other than that somehow the zeeg of the ship is or is not involved and the position of the scuppers is or is not determening the position of the scheerstrook.
Since I'm rather simple, I assumed the scheerstrook was somehow directly related to one of the major elements of the hull, say marking position of the orlopdeck or another major feature of the hull.

I hope your ongoing research and the discussions reveal the correct position of the scheerstrook and also the why of said position.
Still very much intrigued by this build.

Kind regards,

Johan
 
Between the study on the scheerstrook (almost there) I still work on the floor timber.

I also did a lot of sanding and a picture tells more then words.

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Still a lot of work. Every piece of timber need to adjust by hand.
In the front You see some extra pieces of wood on the keel, that's the place where the mast are coming.

On Ali I bought 2 rails with MGN 9C blocks. These are for the upgrade on my Proxxon saw table. I got an older version then the FET and the adjustment of the fence is a little old way. The FET got a better version on a rail. I seen a video of such a upgrade and try it out to make the same. I like the old version of the table saw, because it got a speed control.

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2 rails of 45 cm and each with a MGN 9C block, spare bearing balls, only 21 euro together, no charge for transport. I look them up on Amazon and there they where 4 times more in price. This will take a while before I get it ready, still need some other parts.
 
Thanks again to everyone for the likes and visits to my log. Some time ago, I had promised to give another explanation about the "scheerstrook" Herewith, I hope it is understandable.
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Misconceptions and beliefs about the “Scheerstrook”.

In my search for answers about various construction phases and parts that appear on a 17th-century ship, that of the “Scheerstrook” has been my biggest quest. All sorts of claims were made about the course and function of the “Scheerstrook”. Much of what I have discovered are mainly conclusions you can draw from the none you study and what you can see about it on paintings and drawings from that time and the written down part of Cornelis and Nicolaes.
Fortunately, I also received help in my search from people who you can assume know what they are talking about. That helped very much in being able to write down this piece. In the hope of helping others with it.
Mind you, it is as I see it now and therefore not a hard truth. Because this topic still shows many gaps that can be interpreted differently. And maybe after finding more evidence regarding the “Scheerstrook” in archaeology we will get a better explanation.
My findings in a nutshell:

What is the “Scheerstrook”?

In the "shell first construction method" and the slightly more modern "Frame first construction method", in both methods, construction began with laying out the keel and raising the bow and stern with wing transom, fashion pieces, transom and stern timber. The garboard strake was then applied along the keel. The further course determined which construction method came next. A rope was then stretched between the bow and stern (‘scheer’ line). A strong rope was used for this. Because to the rope, vertical ropes were placed between the ‘scheer’ line and the already placed floor timber, tightened and secured to the keel. This allowed one to see from the ‘scheer’ line the course of the sheer.
The “Scheerstrook” was a temporary planking course, which ran on both sides of the hull from the bow beam along the placed uprights to the stern beam of the stern and was fastened to these sections. In side view, the “Scheerstrook” indicated the intended course of the sheer and the intended course of the hull circumference there. The lowest point of the 'scheer' line was taken as the position where the lowest scupper hole of the orlop deck was to be located. The shearline runs parallel to the 'scheer' line.
All this was done because a 17th-century Dutch ship was not built from a technical drawing but determined by the master builders by eye. Of course, they made notes and sketches to see if they were in the right direction or to calculate curves. But a real construction drawing from which you could read measurements or determine shapes to scale. No, they didn't. The skill of the people at the shipyard was also of a high level. They knew what they were doing and everything was under the direction of the master at the yard. A conclusion already written down by Ab Hoving. And which, having studied it, I can fully endorse.

What is the “Scheerstrook” used for?

With the above explanation of what the “Scheerstrook” is and the underlying idea that no construction drawing was used, one can note that the main function of the “Scheerstrook” is that when a ship is built, it serves as a temporary tool to record the ship's construction shape.
Temporary, because once it had fulfilled its function, it was removed and even, in some cases, reused on the next similar ship. Pretty convenient since it amounted to quite a construction which I will come back to later.
So the “Scheerstrook” was, as it were, a construction template for the frames and frameparts that were still to be attached. But markings were also laid out for the parts on the ship. Think of: hatches, gun ports, masts, deck beams and the location of the deck amidships. The “Scheerstrook” runs along the lowest scupper of the orlopdeck. That was amidships. We know that the deck also became increasingly flat on these ships and no longer ran parallel to the sheer. That place where the deck at 1/3 of the ship's length (the 'hals') no longer followed the course of the “Scheerstrook” was also marked on the “Scheerstrook”. Also, the wales ran parallel to the “Scheerstrook”. So you can see that the “Scheerstrook” had many functions during construction and was very important. After all, construction was not done from drawings but by eye. And then it is important to be able to orientate during construction.

How and from what is the “Scheerstrook” made?

For that, we look at what Cornelis writes about the “Scheerstrook”:

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“ ’t syn Planken, breed 8, 10 of 12 Duimen, en 2 a 3 duimen dik” translation: “ they are boards, width 8, 10 or 12 thumb, and 2 a 3 thumb thick”
Translated to metric this is 30.9 x 7.7 cm.

Cornelis mentions that the bend is burned at the bow. This makes it plausible that the beam is made of oak. After all, that is burned to bend. The fact that it is reused also hints that it had to be durable wood.
A large ship soon has a “Scheerstrook” with a length of 45 metres. without connectors and so forth, you're talking about at least a cubic metre of oak wood. And with an average density of oak of 750 kg/m³, you're talking about a weight of over 800 kg per side. It was hard and heavy work for the carpenters.
Nowhere have I found a clear description on what wood is used for the “Scheerstrook”. But conclude from the findings in the old books, the purpose and construction of the “Scheerstrook” that it must have been oak. One clue I got from Jaap Luiting who explained to me the burning of the bend at the bow. This could only be done with oak in that way he indicated. After a long search, I found out that this was traditionally only done with the harder woods, such as oak indeed, but elm, beech, etc. also qualified. In any case, not the softer woods. I myself also draw the conclusion from the fact of reuse to take solid strong wood. Also, the “Scheerstrook” was used to align the frame parts. These are no matchsticks either, but thick oak beams. Which require a solid support of a solid type of wood. I may then conclude from these findings that we are talking about oak. This is also what the vast majority of the ship consisted of. So this was also available in the yard.

Another science I discovered was that burning a heavy strakes or wale could take up to 20 hours at the Batavia yard.

Does the “Scheerstrook” run across the widest part of the ship?

For that, I would first like to describe the moulded depth of the ship and what part is meant by it.
In the 17th century, the moulded depth (Holte) was measured from the top of the rabbet of the keel to below the mainframe transom of the orlop deck, without counting the bend of this beam. Edit 6 okt 2023
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At the moulded depth, therefore, the lower scupper hole is also located and you can therefore also say that the “Scheerstrook” at that point is the lowest.

Cornelis is writing:
De holte by de konft - kundigen genomen werd vande bovekanc van't Vlak, tot onder den Overloop aan Boord, ter plaatfe daar 't Schip alderlaagft is, en fijn eerfte Uitwateringe heeft. Sonder dat de Rondte van de O verloops-Balk daar by.moet werden gedaan.

But if you take the aforementioned theory of N.H. Kamer where he uses perspective projection Analysis to show in drawings that the widest point is not always on the moulded depth but can also be above and below it. Examples of this can be found at Cornelis's book.
It is and remains a somewhat questionable fact. The model of the Prince Willem from the 17th century also shows that the widest part is below the moulded depth. And thus the model actually says that the “Scheerstrook” does not run across the widest part. But from the other side, it sounds illogical because the “Scheerstrook” is used to determine the construction of the ship. And if it runs across the widest part, does sounds more plausible.
I second the statement that the “Scheerstrook” does not have to run across the widest part. It does happen very often that it does. But there are exceptions. The model of the Prince Willem also shows this. Both the museum model and the one at my house.

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Another conclusion I grant to this is the way these ships were built. Not from drawings and with the materials available. For the bilges, expensive pieces of wood that had grown into the right shape were used. That made the bilge very strong, but it also limited your design. This had to be adapted to the wood in question. As a result, it could therefore happen that a ship got a slightly different shape than what was envisaged and, as a result, the wider part did not always get the moulded depth. After all, we should not forget that carpenters were craftsmen who built a ship with the material available and wasted as little wood as possible to keep costs down. Speed of construction also factored into this story. They were not going to waste time handling a rule that was not necessarily necessary to apply. If you look at ship proportions in Cornelis and in Nicolaes' books, they deviated from the proposition length-width ratio more often than they complied with it. I personally think it had to do with the material available.

Does the lower wale run flush with the “Scheerstrook”?

Short answer. No! There are plenty of examples that this is not so. On Witse's Pinas, for example, it runs between both lower wales. And so there are plenty of examples where this is clearly not the case. The aforementioned Prince Willem is another example. What is, however, is that the wales run parallel to the “Scheerstrook”. The “Scheerstrook” was temporary and after it had fulfilled the function for which it was needed, it was removed and sometimes even reused for the next similar ship.

Is a “Scheerstrook” necessary to build a model?

Do you build a model according to drawing or existing example. Then the answer is no. This will be too complicated to achieve. Nicolaes gives all kinds of values to make the “Scheerstrook” and to scale this is difficult to recreate. Also, you have drawings and from these you can follow other construction lines to build your model. You see this in a POF build that people make a mould to about half height to be able to fix the frames in there. Here is a photo I took of Christiaan's build where this can be seen. But also in my build I have waterlines available from a drawing and I would be foolish not to use them. After all, I am building an existing model from which drawings have been made.

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Only when you aim to build a model you only have the measurements of then you will have to and follow the whole process to build. In my case, a “Scheerstrook” is not necessary. It doesn't have to be by eye. As I mentioned earlier that this was the purpose of the “Scheerstrook”, to build by eye.
 
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Wow, I applaud you for such deep research and analysis. Excellent learning experience, mon ami.
Thanks Jim. When you search in this way for answer, you learn a lot about Dutch shipbuilding. And I learned a lot about the so called expert on some other forums. How disrepectfull some people are. Especially to our Dear friend Ab Hoving.
 
How annoying that the translations are so poor and incomplete. I previously assumed that the course of the scheerstrook was not congruent with the wale.
 
How annoying that the translations are so poor and incomplete. I previously assumed that the course of the scheerstrook was not congruent with the wale.
Yes, the translation about these old shipterms is poor. I will post this week a German version. No problem for me to translate. I can detect where the translation goes wrong. The dificult thing is that I use Dutch words in the post. Deepl or Google translate can't handle that.
 
Wow, what a really long post.I have to read it tomorrow again, to fully understand.
My jig is placed, where the cutter has his maximum breadth amidships. So it is very high for this small vessel.
 
Great topic Stephan. I am curious to see how the scheerstrook on my fluyt will finally run. Especially the scheerline with the vertical ropes to the floors is a very interesting feature.
I will see how to incorporate it into my build.
Thanks Maarten, I tried to make it understandably for most of us here, I hope I succeded.
I also wrote that setting out the scheerstrook is a difficult job, I didn't lie. In the book of Nicolaes you can find a discription of how to measuring this out on a ship. There are calculations on how to do that. If you have a drawing, example or pictures of the wreckage, you better use them for laying out the wale if possible.
 
Wow, what a really long post.I have to read it tomorrow again, to fully understand.
My jig is placed, where the cutter has his maximum breadth amidships. So it is very high for this small vessel.
Thanks Christian, I try to make a german version in pdf, I will post it soon. I used your picture as example on how it is done on a POF build. Where the horizontal waterlines are used to set out a mould where the frames could fit in. And I think your setups was a good picture to show this.
 
It is interesting to see how you get caught up with the challenges that the scheerstrook poses in your build. The same goes for @Maarten with the shape of the bilge plank in his Fluyt build. Maybe you can understand now the frustration that research can sometime cause and can see why my log is 300+ pages. As soon as you focus one aspect and think you have the answer, another issue crops up which throws everything out again. Also, be careful of applying certain "rules" on certain Dutch ships' builds to all Dutch ships. That can simply not be done. Lastly, you are assuming that Witsen was correct. Are you sure?
 
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