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As I never trust sources blindly, I think there are some misidentified models of the HMS Victory in NMM?
Both models always were the reasons for discussions of Victory´s side entry port, the forecastle and the poop - I always found both puzzling as there were some details that were always irritating me, but I never found out what exactly it was.
ZAZ0513 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66474.html
" A contemporary full hull model of the Victory (1765)"
ZAZ0517 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66478.html
"A contemporary(?) half block design model of the HMS Victory (1765)"
I always wondered about the proportions, but now I got the clue as I realised the position of the most aft gunports towards the quarter gallery - far too near together for the Victory.
If one takes the plan of HMS Dreadnought (Neptun-class) and puts it over the models, it fits perfectly.
ZAZ0196 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/79987.html
"Plan showing the body plan, sternboard outline with some decoration detail, sheer lines with inboard detail and figurehead, and longitudinal half-breadth for 'Dreadnought' (1801)"
As a first rate the Victory had a greater lenght. The shorter second rates had a completely different allocation of the ports, that also results to a different positioning of a side entry port underneath the main channels. This leads either to a double row of steps or to the omission of the side entry port (both seen on plans on the NMM). Also the models and the plan show the slimmer lines of the bow.
Always intriguing the finds one can do - one just has to stare long enough at the details ...
Cheers, Daniel
Both models always were the reasons for discussions of Victory´s side entry port, the forecastle and the poop - I always found both puzzling as there were some details that were always irritating me, but I never found out what exactly it was.
ZAZ0513 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66474.html
" A contemporary full hull model of the Victory (1765)"
ZAZ0517 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66478.html
"A contemporary(?) half block design model of the HMS Victory (1765)"
I always wondered about the proportions, but now I got the clue as I realised the position of the most aft gunports towards the quarter gallery - far too near together for the Victory.
If one takes the plan of HMS Dreadnought (Neptun-class) and puts it over the models, it fits perfectly.
ZAZ0196 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/79987.html
"Plan showing the body plan, sternboard outline with some decoration detail, sheer lines with inboard detail and figurehead, and longitudinal half-breadth for 'Dreadnought' (1801)"
As a first rate the Victory had a greater lenght. The shorter second rates had a completely different allocation of the ports, that also results to a different positioning of a side entry port underneath the main channels. This leads either to a double row of steps or to the omission of the side entry port (both seen on plans on the NMM). Also the models and the plan show the slimmer lines of the bow.
Always intriguing the finds one can do - one just has to stare long enough at the details ...
Cheers, Daniel
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