HMS GRANADO - full hull - POF kit by CAF in 1:48 - by Uwe

It looks that you can do the planking job without steeler planks. Thumbsup
YES - Until now I think, that there will be no stealers necessary - I will do everything to avoid them

One question about sealing the planks, how did you do it?
Until now the hull planking wood surface is not treated at all - later on I will use Clou - as I did on the rest of the inside on this model

Witaj
Uwe pięknie tak trzymaj a poszycie będzie super , uszczelnienie to czarny papier? Pozdrawiam Mirek

Hello
Uwe, keep it that way and the covering will be great, is the seal black paper? Regards, Mirek
The "caulking" between the planks is done like I did on the deck planking with two sides / contact areas "painted" with black ecoline

Many Thanks also to @Keef , @mtbediz1 , @shota70 for the nice comments and all other members hitting the "Like"-button - much appreciated
 
Bonjour Uwek, félicitation pour votre 'Granado'. Si je me lance sur ce projet, votre journal de construction sera une référence.
Pourriez-vous faire des photos en vue de dessus de la partie inférieure de la coque afin que je regarde quelques détails des aménagements intérieurs.
Merci d'avance et bonne soirée.

Hello Uwek, congratulations on your 'Granado'. If I embark on this project, your construction log will be a reference.
Could you take some top view photos of the lower part of the hull so I can see some details of the interior fittings.
Thank you in advance and have a good evening.
 
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Bonjour Uwek, félicitation pour votre 'Granado'. Si je me lance sur ce projet, votre journal de construction sera une référence.
Pourriez-vous faire des photos en vue de dessus de la partie inférieure de la coque afin que je regarde quelques détails des aménagements intérieurs.
Merci d'avance et bonne soirée.

Hello Uwek, congratulations on your 'Granado'. If I embark on this project, your construction log will be a reference.
Could you take some top view photos of the lower part of the hull so I can see some details of the interior fittings.
Thank you in advance and have a good evening.
I changed the order of construction, due to the fact, that I cut the hull vertical in two half, so therefore I did not finish the interior of the hull, I prepared only parts of it like some decks and the mortar beds

Maybe you chack this (and following) post(s) where the inner planking is complete


this post is showing the end of the interior praparations (up to know) - afterwards I started to make the deck structure to get the structure riggit enough for the Main cut


When the outer planking is finished (I am working in moment) I will restart the ineterior works
 
Before I am able to close the planking, some pencil marks for the treenailing have to be made.
So I tried to mark the center of each frame on the planking

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It also now more or less the latest possibility to plan the correct width of the last planking rows

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also necessary to check the possible locations of the necessary butt joints of each planking row - so that the final joint pattern makes some sense

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OK - the next plank will be the row directly at the keel (row 24) , so I can work from both sides to close the planking

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The planking order will be -> row 24 -> 20 -> 23 -> 21 -> closing with 22 (something like this, but I will see)

Many Thanks for your interest .... to be continued
 
Before I am able to close the planking, some pencil marks for the treenailing have to be made.
So I tried to mark the center of each frame on the planking

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It also now more or less the latest possibility to plan the correct width of the last planking rows

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also necessary to check the possible locations of the necessary butt joints of each planking row - so that the final joint pattern makes some sense

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OK - the next plank will be the row directly at the keel (row 24) , so I can work from both sides to close the planking

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The planking order will be -> row 24 -> 20 -> 23 -> 21 -> closing with 22 (something like this, but I will see)

Many Thanks for your interest .... to be continued
A nice approach for the closing of the hull, Uwe. Always good to have a plan. ;)
Regards, Peter
 
Many Thanks to @Nomad , @Peter Voogt and @AnobiumPunctatum for your comments and also the likes received

Christian,
I am not fully convinced about the correctness of your given information. Or maybe better - I am not sure, if the way you described is looking really good on the model.

Let me explain my situation and my planned way

As mentioned earlier I want to follow in some principle ways the existing model of Lightley


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In the Anatomy book are some detail photos printed giving a closer look at the treenailing made by the modeler.

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Here the modeler made only on some areas treenails, definitely not at every frame of a double frame. He did not follow really the framing. So not a good reference.

In the Anatomy book Goodwin is showing only some treenails above the waterline

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So not helping us very much

You mentioned to make two nails on each connection with every single frame, means on double frames four and on triple frames (which we have also on this model) six nails - this would look like this

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This would be a lot of nails, and I am unsure, if this was technically on the real ships really necessary - from which source do you have this information? I am eager to learn. I am also in moment not aware, if there is any model existing showing such a nailing, or a modeler doing the nailing in this way.

But I think, that already based on the estethical point I will only double nail each connection between a plank and a frame (single, double or triple) - something like this one

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In addition, just to make some brainstorming and collect information:

OK, it is french, but the technical necessity was the same.
French 74-gun ship by Jean Boudriot, with their typical double framing all over the ship is showing also only two nails (wood plus metal) per double frame

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"each plank is fatsened to each BEND by a nail and a treenailin staggered row"
 
Uwe,

AotS and also the modern model are showing in my opinion a stylized fastening of the planks.

I can only refer to some books, which give information:
  • Goodwin "The Construction and Fitting of the Sailing Man of War", page 60 ff.
  • Lavery "Building the Wooden Walls", chapter 6 and further
  • Dodds & Moore "Building the wooden Fighting Ship", page 82, 83
If you do not have the books, please let me know.

I would follow the sheme of the last book. There is a picture of a contemporary model, with a really nice sheme. It's different to what I wrote first. There is only one treenail in one frame.
Goodwin shows in his sketch both methods.
 
I am happy that you finaly agree somehow with my planned way of treenailing - and I did not make or will make a mistake.

The planking works is continuing - the plank close to the keel is assambled

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and step by step - plank by plank I am closing the gap

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Many Thanks for your interest .... to be continued .....
 
I am happy that you finaly agree somehow with my planned way of treenailing - and I did not make or will make a mistake.

The planking works is continuing - the plank close to the keel is assambled

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and step by step - plank by plank I am closing the gap

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Many Thanks for your interest .... to be continued .....
Incredible planking Uwe. This is going to be a beautiful model to be proud of
 
It is still bothers me - the tree-nailing pattern of the outer planking

Based on the comment made by @AnobiumPunctatum some days ago, I am looking around with open eyes and looking on treenailing patterns

@Tobias is building his La Palme, based on the drawings of the L´Amarante, drawings by Gerard Delacroix,

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and checking also the photos of my planset review


we can see, that Gerard was showing two treenails per half double frame

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I do not have the monograph by hand, but there was maybe written, why this ship had a different treenailing like Boudriot showed in his 74-gun ship.

From esthetical point of view I am not completely happy with this pattern, but I wanted to show, that it was existing
 
The final planking works are done and the hull is closed - on one side, the other side will stay open to see the framing

the last planking strip towards the bow is prepared for inserting

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these planks, which can not be fixed with any clamps (which I have) are fixed with partly CA-glue and also wood glue

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the plank is fitting well

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the last plank - now "only" to sand the form of the plank to fit

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and done

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some final views along the hull - no sanding was done until now - this will be done together the treenails are installed

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and the total side view

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At the end I am more or less happy with the result

Next will be the treenailing of the hull - 55 frames with 24 rows of planking and 2 nails per frame / plank connection => slightly more than 2.600 treenails

ONLY 2.600 treenails !!!

Could be worse - if it would be the L´Amarante it would be 5.200 nails only for the half hull

I need some more packages of toothpicks - many thanks for your interest .... to be continued ......
 
The final planking works are done and the hull is closed - on one side, the other side will stay open to see the framing

the last planking strip towards the bow is prepared for inserting

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these planks, which can not be fixed with any clamps (which I have) are fixed with partly CA-glue and also wood glue

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the plank is fitting well

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the last plank - now "only" to sand the form of the plank to fit

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and done

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some final views along the hull - no sanding was done until now - this will be done together the treenails are installed

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and the total side view

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At the end I am more or less happy with the result

Next will be the treenailing of the hull - 55 frames with 24 rows of planking and 2 nails per frame / plank connection => slightly more than 2.600 treenails

ONLY 2.600 treenails !!!

Could be worse - if it would be the L´Amarante it would be 5.200 nails only for the half hull

I need some more packages of toothpicks - many thanks for your interest .... to be continued ......
Good afternoon Uwek. We have all seen your skills time and time again so it is no surprise that this is brilliant planking. Explosion
ONLY 2.600 treenails !!!
Eish…..going to to fun….:rolleyes:
Cheers Grant
 
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