Hello Uwe, L‘Amarante also has this ring / hook combination
LE COUREUR - french Lugger 1776 - POF kit from CAF in 1:48 by Uwe
An interesting action that happened when I was firing my small blackpowder cannon, viewed in very slow motion, was that the carrige would "leap" up and backwads when the shot was fired. The breach was not elevated very highly to drive the carriage downwards. Leaping guns with tons of weight would definately be a hazzard if a full sized gun would recoil in the same manner. Nice work on your part. Rich (PT-2)
Many thanks to all of you for your comments, information hints and brainstorming - still open for comments off course.
It seems, that such combined hooks were used on french smaller ships (like the Cerf, Amaranthe etc.
Nevertheless I have also my doupts, if I am able to produce 16 of such hooks with an acceptable quality.
My first attempt using a hook and adjust it was failing, so in momenr I do not see a good solution. I guess also, that the best would be casting some.
But I have some more time to decide and produce, until I finally fix the guns on the deck
For now I made only one level of iron bolts on the outer side of the hull close to the gunports
I used the small rings of the photo etched sheet and a 0,8mm brass wire pieces
blackened these parts
and glued them together
and these "bolts" are now looking like these
and a better view from the side - I think they are looking realistic
It seems, that such combined hooks were used on french smaller ships (like the Cerf, Amaranthe etc.
Nevertheless I have also my doupts, if I am able to produce 16 of such hooks with an acceptable quality.
My first attempt using a hook and adjust it was failing, so in momenr I do not see a good solution. I guess also, that the best would be casting some.
But I have some more time to decide and produce, until I finally fix the guns on the deck
For now I made only one level of iron bolts on the outer side of the hull close to the gunports
I used the small rings of the photo etched sheet and a 0,8mm brass wire pieces
blackened these parts
and glued them together
and these "bolts" are now looking like these
and a better view from the side - I think they are looking realistic
Very nicely executed work here. May I ask what the scale of the ship is? Also the treenails as I will be using something probably smaller on my Kryenia boat to simulate the same for the mortise and tenon hull strakes which were not "nailed" to frames but created a shell for the gull itself.
Rich (PT-2)
That's the hook, man! How was it made, that's my question.
That looks like some patient bending, hammering and filing to shape before drilling the hole for the ring. Must be in a small scale, large piece, size. Just thinking . . . ?????
Rich (PT-2)
Based on the hint with the Amarante made by Tobias - we do not have to look so far away
In detail shown in the building log of the amazing 1:30 model of the L´ Amarante made by our member Gianpiero alias @Giampy65
Link to the building log:
I guess it is ok for him to use his photos and copy his photos once more here in this log, so you can see the work - highly interesting and a very good result...... off course they are bigger than our becessary hooks in 1:48, but it would be a solution to produce them in scratch
Very good work !!!
Hope to see soon also more on his @Giampy65 ´s actual project of the Swan class HMS Pegasus in 1:36
H.M.S. PEGASUS - Swan Class by David Antscherl & Greg Herbert Scale 1:36
As I had anticipated, I started a new challenge: the construction of an English frigate, with a carpentry that, until now, I had never approached. Very fascinating architecture, and a model, the Pegasus that struck me immediately, already from the first splendid images seen. I am studying a lot...
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Hallo Rich,
the scale is 1:48
The treenails you mentioned, and I guess you mean the hull planking and not deck are (better to say) boltings and not wooden treenails. The french used for such clinker built hulls mainly bolts to fix the planks - I was using here small copper nails with diameter 0,5 mm for the planking and 0,6 mm for the wales.
Just checked the posts in my log - I started with the preparation and the nailing this February, so if you are interested in more details please check the lengthy descriptions starting from here:
LE COUREUR - french Lugger 1776 - POF kit from CAF in 1:48 by Uwe
Like a Nudelwalker :D
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Thanks for the process and link. I'll look at that. My pending need will be very small in dimensions of the 1:43 scale as in the actual 1:2 the tennons were spaced 12 cm apart side by side and with anchoring pegs 6 cm above and below each strake fastening them together. The tennons were staggered between those above and the next one below in a Z type of layout for the lengths of every strake. Taking 12 cm full size down to 1/43 scale is a very small dimension and lots of those simulated treenail pegs which were then also set with a copper nail being driven into the end. What copper nailing that was done was driving fhrough members and clinched on the interior face with a long and shorter leg making a type of U shape to the inside nail shape which I will likely have to disregard and not execute. 1:43 is a larger boat than 1:48 but still a small size for me to work with. Rich
I have still some time until the inner hook question has to be decided, nevertheless I will try once the way shown by @Giampy65 with the additional "material" - some experiments have to follow
So definitely some time to start with the "main guns" of the Le Coureur.
the words by Jean Boudriot....
and here as usual the sketches in the manual
The different parts of the guns are well prepared and of very good material quality
I started first the assembly of one gun in order to test the different working steps. Afterwards, when everything is tested I am able to start the "mass-production" of the remaining seven guns
I first step was done - so I will now make the other seven wooden gun carriages - until now no "metal" works done
So definitely some time to start with the "main guns" of the Le Coureur.
the words by Jean Boudriot....
and here as usual the sketches in the manual
The different parts of the guns are well prepared and of very good material quality
I started first the assembly of one gun in order to test the different working steps. Afterwards, when everything is tested I am able to start the "mass-production" of the remaining seven guns
I first step was done - so I will now make the other seven wooden gun carriages - until now no "metal" works done
Your canons are on the right way, Uwe. Please, can you show me Giampy´s post if availible ?
link and copy of photos in my post #1047 of this topic...... scroll shortly backwards
Dankeschön. Habs überlesen.
The length of the barrel looks too long for the carriage but I recall that some calibers were cast with long barrels. It looks nice in place. RIch
These guns were only 3pdr guns, so relatively light barrels or muzzles.
The 1:48 version muzzle is full casted and not rebored, so in moment they bent forward (you will se this soon in some photos) - I tried to drill them out, to make them lighter in the front part, but a drop of glue will make the deal at the end.
The design of muzzle and carriage are confirmed in detail by Jean Boudriot, who was a real specialist in all kind of naval gunnery and weapons, shotguns etc.
Book review - NAVAL ARTILLERY French navy 1650-1850" - NEW ENGLISH VERSION - by Jean Boudriot and Hubert Berti
Book Review: NAVAL ARTILLERY French navy 1650-1850 An Historical and Technical Study Set of 93 plates. NEW ENGLISH VERSION by Jean Boudriot and Hubert Berti Translated by François Fougerat This book in french language was over a long time one of the Basic Books published by ancre...
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so step by step I am working on the guns - first finishing the wooden works on the eight carriages
and the wheels - I made with a knife the hal cut and with a spike I tried to immitate the small bolts
aftwards I blackened the small pins to fix the wheels (and also the necessary eyebolts for later) - the heads of the pins are appr.1mm
the small pins have to be bended by 90° before the blackening
Now we can see, that all the wheels of the guns will stand on top of the deck planking - this was also part of the preparation of the deck planking months ago with the help of the gun-paper-dummies
and the wheels - I made with a knife the hal cut and with a spike I tried to immitate the small bolts
aftwards I blackened the small pins to fix the wheels (and also the necessary eyebolts for later) - the heads of the pins are appr.1mm
the small pins have to be bended by 90° before the blackening
Now we can see, that all the wheels of the guns will stand on top of the deck planking - this was also part of the preparation of the deck planking months ago with the help of the gun-paper-dummies
Coming along nicely Uwe. Are you chemically blackening the brass cannon barrels, or leaving them brass ?
Wonderful clean work, looks very, very good.
but before I finish the finish of the muzzles I had to finish or prepare the iron parts on the carriages - once more first on the trial carriage (No. 1 of 8)
the rings of the tackles were blackened and installed as well the small heads of the vertical bolts (they are appr. 0,5mm square - you see the toothpick on the right side
here the carriage with a muzzle and the two capsquares
This here is an excerpt sketch showing the detail of the typical fixing of the muzzle on the carriage - the capsquare with all elements
With the top view (two photos above) we can see, that the brass part of the kit are slightly too big - so I tried to reduce either the length and also the width by sanding - on the following photo -> the lower one on the carriage is slghtly adjusted, the above one is original
Now I had to think of how to bend this small flat capsquare - I first try with round pliers was not very nice and took to much time, so I had to try something else
my final solution simple but very effective:
I used a square brass bar and sanded in 90° a semicircle notch - a small piece of double sided tape fixed the flat capsquare
and this was my simple counter - a drill bit fixed with tape on my smallest bench vise
and finished was my bending tool
and the final result
also on the carriage you can see the capsquare joint bolts and the capsquare eyebolt
the rings of the tackles were blackened and installed as well the small heads of the vertical bolts (they are appr. 0,5mm square - you see the toothpick on the right side
here the carriage with a muzzle and the two capsquares
This here is an excerpt sketch showing the detail of the typical fixing of the muzzle on the carriage - the capsquare with all elements
With the top view (two photos above) we can see, that the brass part of the kit are slightly too big - so I tried to reduce either the length and also the width by sanding - on the following photo -> the lower one on the carriage is slghtly adjusted, the above one is original
Now I had to think of how to bend this small flat capsquare - I first try with round pliers was not very nice and took to much time, so I had to try something else
my final solution simple but very effective:
I used a square brass bar and sanded in 90° a semicircle notch - a small piece of double sided tape fixed the flat capsquare
and this was my simple counter - a drill bit fixed with tape on my smallest bench vise
and finished was my bending tool
and the final result
also on the carriage you can see the capsquare joint bolts and the capsquare eyebolt