Soleil royal and stern carving

[aurélien wolff]

Hello, since I intend to get and build a heller 1/100 soleil royal (with their concorde at the same scale from 1965, planning on doing it in the livery of one of the airlines who ordered it, still hesitating wich one) for my birthday, I started doing research on the ship and I noticed the stern carving is often interpreted differently, I wonder why, sometimes, it'll be full gold, sometimes with some blue and the shape of the sculpture will be different too.

source: https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/threads/soleil-royal-heller-1-100-back-to-work.8085/

source:

https://www.reddit.com/r/WarshipPorn/comments/u8lai2

source: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/14...nsive-modification-and-partial-scratch-build/
One with a full blue livery (my choice or my what if soleil royal, I haven't seen much models being done with it too)

source: https://www.mutualart.com/Artwork/--Le-Soleil-Royal--/608DD632898C2AE3
This one somewhat look like what heller did:

source: http://cap.info.pagesperso-orange.fr/soleil_royal2.htm
What heller provide (I'll correct the bouteille innacuracie as best as I can):

source: http://hellerpassionmaquettes.blogspot.com/2007/11/catalogue-1974-suivre.html
Thanks for your answers, I'm laying the terrain so I'll know what to do when I'll start it.

 

[Uwek]

Do you know the building log of Marc alias @Hubac’s Historian ?
He is discussing and describing the form and content etc. of the complete ornaments, also the stern in detail

Soleil Royal by Heller - an Extensive Modification and Partial Scratch-Build by Hubac’s Historian

Hello, Ships of Scale! My name is Marc LaGuardia, and for the past three years, I have been extensively bashing the Heller kit in an effort to transform it into what I believe is her re-fit appearance of 1689. The project exists in its entirely, here at Model Ship World...

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[aurélien wolff]

I still haven't gone through the whole thread, it'll help building it for sure. I'm looking for other build as well and found one done in red. https://modelshipworld.com/topic/26946-le-soleil-royal-by-john-clements-heller-1100/

 

[WojtasS]

I think the red color might be( I'm not100% sure) inspired by the look of Saint Philippe ).Uwe linked you a thread with much more information and competent people

Planset review - SAINT PHILIPPE (1693 - 1715) - a 90 gun built by Francois Coulomb at Toulon" by Jean-Claude LEMINEUR

Planset Review: Monographie: SAINT PHILIPPE (1693 - 1715) - 90 gun built by Francois Coulomb at Toulon by Jean-Claude LEMINEUR in scale 1:48 Translated by François Fougerat many thanks to Didier Berti who made this Review possible ! This monographie is available from ancre in different...

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@GuyM has been also modyfying heller kit

Soleil Royal 1671 modified Heller kit

So, on this log I am in the very early process of modifying and building the ship as close as possible to what it would have looked like in the spring of 1671 when the ship was to make its maiden voyage along with 4 others for the king's visit at the new Rochefort shipyard, which he cancelled...

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[aurélien wolff]

Thanks, by the way, the models look gorgeous, I think both red and blue soleil royal look good as well as "Le sain philippe".

 

[danielsje]

I find the question of how to model extensive ship decorations the most difficult and intimidating aspect of my ship modeling. I do not have 3D printers or equivalents, mainly because I am not good at developing the 3D cad files required. My sculpting skills are less than adequate. So I end up depending on the kit deco or aftermarket add-ons. The limitation of the aftermarket deco sets include being limited to the most popular models (can I say the Victory as an example?) and the popular kit scales. If you want to scratch build, say a 1/48 scale Confederacy you can not find a deco set to fit your model. Cost is also a factor but the aftermarket deco sets I have seen are worth the prices without quibbling. I know that there are companies that offer such deco sets but I think we need to set up a library of the websites so we can recommend them. I try to bookmark the one’s I come across but I think I miss many. I can only admire those extremely talented ship modelers who can carve such exquisite ship decorations for their models.

 

[aurélien wolff]

The issues for me being cost, the soleil royal heller already cost a lot of money itself so it's even worst with the aftermarket (I'll still get material to carve the ornament/Sculpture)