I've always liked the 17th century ships, but understandably documentation is scarce. Corel has the Neptune which I've always liked, but it's pretty well established that while a HMS Neptune did exist in 1690 she was a 90 gun second rate so much bigger than the 58 gun Neptune Corel offers. I'm guessing they got the design from somewhere. Looking through some resources it really looks like it was modeled after the Speaker class 50-60 gun 4th rates built in the 1650s. Size, gun ports and design seem pretty close based off the few paintings I was able to locate. Marston Moor later York, Gloucester, Fairfax, Torrington later Dreadnought being some of the ships of this class. Anyone know more about these ships, design or have an opinion?
There was no Neptune existing fitting to this time and class.
It is written at Krick about the model
Dieses eindrucksvolle Modell der NEPTUNE konnte auf der Grundlage von Darstellungen und Modellen der einstigen Werft originalgetreu nachgebildet werden, die im Schifffahrtsmuseum von Greenwich aufbewahrt werden. Es handelt sich um ein Kriegsschiff des dritten Ranges (55/60 Kanonen), das am 2. Juni 1692 an der Schlacht von La Hougue beteiligt war: Die englische Flotte unter dem Kommando des Admirals Rooke brachte der französischen Seestreitmacht unter Admiral Tourville eine empfindliche Niederlage bei.
google translation:
This impressive model of the NEPTUNE was faithfully recreated based on representations and models from the former shipyard, which are kept in the Greenwich Maritime Museum. It is a third-rate warship (55/60 guns) that took part in the Battle of La Hougue on June 2, 1692: the English fleet under the command of Admiral Rooke inflicted a severe defeat on the French naval force under Admiral Tourville at.
www.krickshop.de
These are the ships participated at the battle
In the museum I did not find anything which is fitting (contemporary model) maybe the St Albans, but she was smaller
www.rmg.co.uk
but maybe this one, but it is not looking contemporary and it is not fitting really - showing the Glasgow after the rebuilt (I think)
glasgowmuseumsslavery.co.uk
It is written at Krick about the model
Dieses eindrucksvolle Modell der NEPTUNE konnte auf der Grundlage von Darstellungen und Modellen der einstigen Werft originalgetreu nachgebildet werden, die im Schifffahrtsmuseum von Greenwich aufbewahrt werden. Es handelt sich um ein Kriegsschiff des dritten Ranges (55/60 Kanonen), das am 2. Juni 1692 an der Schlacht von La Hougue beteiligt war: Die englische Flotte unter dem Kommando des Admirals Rooke brachte der französischen Seestreitmacht unter Admiral Tourville eine empfindliche Niederlage bei.
google translation:
This impressive model of the NEPTUNE was faithfully recreated based on representations and models from the former shipyard, which are kept in the Greenwich Maritime Museum. It is a third-rate warship (55/60 guns) that took part in the Battle of La Hougue on June 2, 1692: the English fleet under the command of Admiral Rooke inflicted a severe defeat on the French naval force under Admiral Tourville at.
Neptune HMS Baukasten | Static Models | Models
NEPTUNE Die Neptune stellt ein besonderes Beispiel englischer Schiffsbaukunst im ausgehenden 17. Jahrhundert dar. Zu dieser Zeit wurden nur noch wenige Schiffe mit solch zahlreichen Verzierungen versehen, wie die Neptun. Ihre starke Bewaffnung von insgesamt 58 Kanonen ist typisch für diese Epoche vo
These are the ships participated at the battle
Battle of La Hogue, 2nd June 1692 - 4th June 1692
Description and participants : Battle of La Hogue, 2nd June 1692 (1692/06/12 NS) - 4th June 1692 (1692/06/14 NS)
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In the museum I did not find anything which is fitting (contemporary model) maybe the St Albans, but she was smaller
Collection Results | Royal Museums Greenwich
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but maybe this one, but it is not looking contemporary and it is not fitting really - showing the Glasgow after the rebuilt (I think)
The Navy and Slavery
One of the earliest ship models to enter the collection of Glasgow Museums was a fine model of HMS Oxford, made around 1727. It came from the collection of Robert Napier, known as the ‘father of Cl…
glasgowmuseumsslavery.co.uk
and btw a warm welcome here on board of our forum
There was no Neptune existing fitting to this time and class.
It is written at Krick about the model
Dieses eindrucksvolle Modell der NEPTUNE konnte auf der Grundlage von Darstellungen und Modellen der einstigen Werft originalgetreu nachgebildet werden, die im Schifffahrtsmuseum von Greenwich aufbewahrt werden. Es handelt sich um ein Kriegsschiff des dritten Ranges (55/60 Kanonen), das am 2. Juni 1692 an der Schlacht von La Hougue beteiligt war: Die englische Flotte unter dem Kommando des Admirals Rooke brachte der französischen Seestreitmacht unter Admiral Tourville eine empfindliche Niederlage bei.
google translation:
This impressive model of the NEPTUNE was faithfully recreated based on representations and models from the former shipyard, which are kept in the Greenwich Maritime Museum. It is a third-rate warship (55/60 guns) that took part in the Battle of La Hougue on June 2, 1692: the English fleet under the command of Admiral Rooke inflicted a severe defeat on the French naval force under Admiral Tourville at.
Neptune HMS Baukasten | Static Models | Models
NEPTUNE Die Neptune stellt ein besonderes Beispiel englischer Schiffsbaukunst im ausgehenden 17. Jahrhundert dar. Zu dieser Zeit wurden nur noch wenige Schiffe mit solch zahlreichen Verzierungen versehen, wie die Neptun. Ihre starke Bewaffnung von insgesamt 58 Kanonen ist typisch für diese Epoche vo
These are the ships participated at the battle
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Battle of La Hogue, 2nd June 1692 - 4th June 1692
Description and participants : Battle of La Hogue, 2nd June 1692 (1692/06/12 NS) - 4th June 1692 (1692/06/14 NS)threedecks.org
In the museum I did not find anything which is fitting (contemporary model) maybe the St Albans, but she was smaller
Collection Results | Royal Museums Greenwich
Find objects, archive records and library items relating to your search, and use the filters to narrow down your results.
but maybe this one, but it is not looking contemporary and it is not fitting really - showing the Glasgow after the rebuilt (I think)
View attachment 403339
The Navy and Slavery
One of the earliest ship models to enter the collection of Glasgow Museums was a fine model of HMS Oxford, made around 1727. It came from the collection of Robert Napier, known as the ‘father of Cl…
Uwe,
Many thanks for the great reply. I think without Corel actually telling from which ship(s) the model was derived it will remain a mystery. I have researched the Greenwich Maritime Museum, but saw neither of the models you show. They are both, in some ways, close to the Corel Neptune. Makes me think the model is probably a mix, lets say generic, of multiple ships. I think the three ships mentioned in the Order of Battle mentioned above are probably all likely candidates. I have a few references on the way today that may help in designing the model. In the end I think it impossible to build the Neptune into and exact representation of any one ship, but do think it wholly possible to construct the model into a great representation of a 54 of that time period.
Thanks again for the assist.
Best Regards,
Jeff