Grants Xebec 1:60 (using Jabeque Cazador Occre1:60 kit) [COMPLETED BUILD]
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Good morning Jorge. I agree, I do like the kit. The missing parts are no fault of Occre, more the SA delivery service. I think I got most of the parts saved. All major parts and wood look spot on. I have also heard of good service from Occre. I’m looking Frito building this. Cheers Grant
Good morning Marc. Thanks. I hope I can do this justice.
Wow. That is so awesome. It was a long time ago(before I was born) and I can see why the Xebec will be a special model for you. Cheers Grant
Good morning. That is a really clever idea. I could still do this. If I need to use this method it most certainly is worth a go. Cheers Grant
Good morning. If nothing else these Xebecs are beautiful models. Hopefully I can make mine so. Thanks
Good morning Lorenzo. I did look at the Amati one as well. It was a little smaller. I am making this model to fit in an area in my pub and it was a little small. I have seen good models made using the Amati kit tho. The best kit by miles is the Le Requin. Also there is a brilliant reference book. ZHL has an awesome kit, but is pricey. It also did not fit into my pub space. So the Cazador was perfect for me. Cheers GrantI also have it on my list. Amati also has a xebec at a good price, although I think it's a little smaller. I would doubt between the two. The xebec is a boat with a beautiful and elegant line. I'm sure Grant is going to do a great job.
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Good morning. Awesome to have you here rocking chair and all
. Thank you. Cheers Grant
Good morning. I will certainly have fun and I hope I can get mine close to yours. It is stunning. Cheers Grant
Agreed. The Occre instructions and drawings are excellent. My model building skill is the questionable factor hereThe good thing about this kit is that if you just follow the instructions, the result is already spectacular. Everything you do more makes it even more beautiful.
Cheers
. Cheers Grant
Those 'orrible brittle plastic parts boxes are a pita'Good afternoon
I am going to build a Xebec. Originally I was going to build the Jabeque Cazador from OcCre 1:60 scale, however as I will show I am going to change this up a little.
The kit :
As with most reasonably affordable kits there is nothing exotic about the Cazador from OcCre.
When my kit arrived the parts box had broken open and plenty tiny parts were strewn all over- I’m sure I did not achieve a 100% recovery- time will tell
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The wood is mostly lime (L)(not my favorite) which is easily cut and sanded. It is a porous wood and difficult to get a realistic finish. I am going to have to research staining and wood finishing.
Certain parts e.g. the false keel, is African Walnut (Aw) which does not finish as good as the European Walnut however it is cool.
The second planking layer is veneer which looks good and easy to use. It Does limit certain details e.g. caulking and the treenail effect is different.
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As with all modern kits in this price range many of the parts and decorations are molded metal where it would be so much better to have these wood. I guess a lot of scratch part building is in my near future. Going be fun.
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The cannons are simply kak. (An Afrikaans word - translation obvious).The blocks and thread (which is a strange shade of green) will be replaced with the good stuff from Drydock. Pretty much stock standard for kits.
Occre got the instructions so good. Clear, concise and there is no confusion. Wow so different from my Mantua Victory ones.
Next up some history, ship research and Grants plans for a Xebec.
Cheers Grant
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Those 'orrible brittle parts boxes are a 'pita', 50% of the OcCre kits I've bought have had them broken. I wish OcCre would use a much more flexible material.Good afternoon
I am going to build a Xebec. Originally I was going to build the Jabeque Cazador from OcCre 1:60 scale, however as I will show I am going to change this up a little.
The kit :
As with most reasonably affordable kits there is nothing exotic about the Cazador from OcCre.
When my kit arrived the parts box had broken open and plenty tiny parts were strewn all over- I’m sure I did not achieve a 100% recovery- time will tell
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The wood is mostly lime (L)(not my favorite) which is easily cut and sanded. It is a porous wood and difficult to get a realistic finish. I am going to have to research staining and wood finishing.
Certain parts e.g. the false keel, is African Walnut (Aw) which does not finish as good as the European Walnut however it is cool.
The second planking layer is veneer which looks good and easy to use. It Does limit certain details e.g. caulking and the treenail effect is different.
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As with all modern kits in this price range many of the parts and decorations are molded metal where it would be so much better to have these wood. I guess a lot of scratch part building is in my near future. Going be fun.
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The cannons are simply kak. (An Afrikaans word - translation obvious
Occre got the instructions so good. Clear, concise and there is no confusion. Wow so different from my Mantua Victory ones.
Next up some history, ship research and Grants plans for a Xebec.
Cheers Grant
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Ouch … so a major sort to start off with Grant . Yep Kak also well used in Scotland also. From my experience on the Occre Endeavour the instructions are very good for the hull but the rigging left a lot to be desired and much head scratching. Yes I also agree with the metal parts but I guess easier to cast detail. I made replacement parts in wood but those were simple shapes which does not look possible on your build. Good luck will follow with interest.Good afternoon
I am going to build a Xebec. Originally I was going to build the Jabeque Cazador from OcCre 1:60 scale, however as I will show I am going to change this up a little.
The kit :
As with most reasonably affordable kits there is nothing exotic about the Cazador from OcCre.
When my kit arrived the parts box had broken open and plenty tiny parts were strewn all over- I’m sure I did not achieve a 100% recovery- time will tell
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The wood is mostly lime (L)(not my favorite) which is easily cut and sanded. It is a porous wood and difficult to get a realistic finish. I am going to have to research staining and wood finishing.
Certain parts e.g. the false keel, is African Walnut (Aw) which does not finish as good as the European Walnut however it is cool.
The second planking layer is veneer which looks good and easy to use. It Does limit certain details e.g. caulking and the treenail effect is different.
View attachment 351993
As with all modern kits in this price range many of the parts and decorations are molded metal where it would be so much better to have these wood. I guess a lot of scratch part building is in my near future. Going be fun.
View attachment 351995
The cannons are simply kak. (An Afrikaans word - translation obvious
Occre got the instructions so good. Clear, concise and there is no confusion. Wow so different from my Mantua Victory ones.
Next up some history, ship research and Grants plans for a Xebec.
Cheers Grant
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I am building the same model and have had loads of problems with it and for the first time Occre, who are usually so helpful, just said it was an old kit and not up to their newer standards. I have persevered with it and reached the rigging stage. Be prepared, the instructions are frightening!! You really need to plan well ahead and be ready to alter quite a bit. If you followed their diagrams the guns would be inoperable and it would be impossible to use oars. In my opinion the Amati Xebec which I built before is a much better kit but I will keep watching and hope you can make a better job of yours than mine!
Wow! Three pages and you haven’t even started. Looks like another party build!
Good morning and thank you. Looking forward to this little project.
Good morning Keith. Thank you. The small parts I think I can do justice to, however I don’t know what I am going to do with the decorations. I certainly do not have Peters carving skill (@Ptèr - best Jabeque Cazador build I have seen) so it is abridge I will have cross at a point. Cheers Grant
Good morning Mike. Thanks for the heads up. I am playing with idea of changing my Xebec quite a lot. May not even look much like the Occre Cazador. I am. Still thinking about it tho. I just love the look of the Xebec ship. Cheers Grant
Good morning Vic. I am surprised. Maybe we can get yourself and Dean (@Dean62 ) to bring over your guitars and we can have a real party
. Cheers Grant
Another online show has started
Good morning.
Here are my thoughts. As I mentioned in my “History post” it is highly unlikely that the Jabeque Cazador looked like the Occre model. There is little known and little or no plans, books or Museum models of this ship that I can find. (If anyone knows otherwise I would be keen to know before I proceed.)
So it has given me license to play- I love the shape of the Xebec ships and the Occre Cazador is a bit boxy at the stern for Grants Xebec.
I am thinking of angling the rudder more aft, lowering the stern bulkwards which are above the deck and extending the stern. Thereby making it more sleek and sexy. Here are my ideas :
I will have to make the stern frame which will be smaller, narrower and not so square and extend the false keel rudder section. The stern above the deck will have to be narrower and lower and will rest at a more acute angle.
This could be a disaster in the making but I am going to go for it. I will check scale adjustments and ensure it fits with the rest of the ship before I charge into this. The entire stern look, canon placements and Mizzen mast will also change. Welcome to Grants Xebec.
Cheers Grant
PS- I hope I know what I am doing…
Here are my thoughts. As I mentioned in my “History post” it is highly unlikely that the Jabeque Cazador looked like the Occre model. There is little known and little or no plans, books or Museum models of this ship that I can find. (If anyone knows otherwise I would be keen to know before I proceed.)
So it has given me license to play- I love the shape of the Xebec ships and the Occre Cazador is a bit boxy at the stern for Grants Xebec.
I am thinking of angling the rudder more aft, lowering the stern bulkwards which are above the deck and extending the stern. Thereby making it more sleek and sexy. Here are my ideas :
I will have to make the stern frame which will be smaller, narrower and not so square and extend the false keel rudder section. The stern above the deck will have to be narrower and lower and will rest at a more acute angle.
This could be a disaster in the making but I am going to go for it. I will check scale adjustments and ensure it fits with the rest of the ship before I charge into this. The entire stern look, canon placements and Mizzen mast will also change. Welcome to Grants Xebec.
Cheers Grant
PS- I hope I know what I am doing…
In the Bluenose area we call this: AL-FI. So from my side, you have a GO!
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