Victory 1737 - 1:84 scale

Ekis

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I'm doing this thread on the HMS Victory which is the current project.
I've made good progress on construction, but I'm going to put the construction steps here and let it react before posting the next ones.
All texts are those of a French forum, simply translated by Google Translate. Excuse me in advance for grammatical mistakes or syntax ...


(2016, December)
I have the Artesiana Latina kit at 1/84.
The skeleton is mounted, I must attack the hull. This boat once mounted must be about 1m25: big bug!
But before plunging headlong into curling for a very long time, I do as usual, a pause to think about what I want, what is done, how to tint, mount, etc ...












For this, I gather a large library of models, photos of Victory, various docs. In the kit, no plan to scale, but a dvd and prints format A3. It bothers me a little not to "see" it in real size ...
Moreover, I saw many Victory perfectly realized ... it does not interest me to remake!

These two facts pushed me to wonder about this boat. I looked for a monograph close to the scale, I just ordered the monograph of the Superb at the AAMM (Association of Friends of the Navy Museum): a 74 french guns of the 18th.

Conclusion: I will not do the real HMS Victory! :)
But I will use this base to make a three masts of the eighteenth ... I will choose my colors and shades, change the castle, adapt a balcony or 2, perhaps redo bottles, adapt the kit in fact.
I am going to make MY model respecting the historical codes, but not a copy of this ship.
Of course, I will use the elements of the kit, but I will extrapolate according to my desires.

In short, we'll see!


Here is the end of sanding couples and keel (a long time to do everything clean), gluing the whole and a first bridge just screwed to maintain properly and check the squareness (2 couples deformed on the top, but nothing irrattrapable).
I have a little attacked the sanding to border, but this step will be long, I will be very careful and take my time. It's so important to place strakes next.







 
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Parallel to the curving and tedious editing of cannons, which are not yet of interest in photography, I advance on the design of the castle.
I'm starting from that (the wood pieces of the kit, around, it's my personal stock):



I made a cardboard model to conceptualize the perspectives, the number of openings, the depths.
It will start from scratch or almost, add parts for the balconies, etc ... The parts of the kit just serving as a global template:





And with some tests of decorations that will have to harmonize with each other, and with the choices of wood, hues and moldings.
These are just essays, you have to make an effort of imagination to find a harmony, but it works:





There, there is more than to trace all that to own, millimeter, to postpone on wood, to cut, to pierce the openings, to realize the braces (!!), to make the moldings, to adjust, etc, etc ...
 

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Very interesting, all those changes you have to make to build balconies on the stern,I will follow this build in the front row.
 

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Not many people building the previous sunken version Victory,not the one sitting in Portsmuth.
 

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I simply recall that I am inspired by the Victory of 1737.
Making a copy or admiralty model does not interest me.
I want to respect the main lines, the main colors of 18th century shipbuilding, and give myself the freedom to create according to my desires.

I blackened and polished the 100 guns and all other hardware, I finished sanding couples to receive the first strakes. By the way, I will first make the works before gluing the lower deck, to have access to the whole of the hold and the hull. All this, unlike editing AL of course ...

The guns are mounted and more or less detailed depending on their visible locations or not. I will see at the time of their implementation what I detail or not (brague, trunnion, etc ...)
In any case, the 6 planned (maybe more, depending on the changes that I will make the assembly) on the upper deck.
I also want to do some weathering / aging on this boat, so many trials in progress, etc ...











 
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By the way, so, I advance limply on the castle and the painting especially.

I made myself a model of paper cutting, a new general shape in ctp (repeated several times by changing thickness), new tests of decor more sober. In fact, in addition to balconies, I want gaps between the sides and the rounded part in the center, so it is necessary to put several layers, in short ... not simple, and especially very time-consuming!

I am at the dressing openings with frame and braces (brass for finesse), cutting floors for balconies ... rethink the planned system of attachment to the hull. A little head because it is also necessary to think of the oblique of the table and the bouges of bridges.

After come the wood decor, the dyes and paintings, then the metal decorations.








Basically, except metal deco and wood chopsticks, it should have a contrast like this:

 

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The transom mounts slowly.
Parallel to the frames and braces of windows and doors, the structure of balconies related to bridges is practically made, the shell, in fact!
The pieces are all made, it will remain the assembly with the establishment of coatings, dyes and decorations.









 

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Things come to life: painting and first fitting windows. :)







All parts of the assembly (the black transom, the balconies, the side walls, the ceilings) are bordered in boards of 3 or 5mm.

This is a flat mount to show the colors simply: the side walls are next. There, we have no depth.
There is also a lack of details in addition to the windows on the board: on the uprights at the bottom, between the windows, will come wooden columns for example. Or dressing rods under balcony windows, wooden sticks to dress the railings, etc ...

The decorations for this part were painted in 2 bronze paints (bright and old bronze), then aged with the bitumen of judée, like the sticks decorations brass of the balconies.

Well, it's just a color vision on the wood.
I like the contrast: it corresponds to what I had planned for the stern.
 
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Not many people building the previous sunken version Victory,not the one sitting in Portsmuth.
do you know if the AL kits are fairly accurate or not ? I haven't don't the research on the Victory yet. I'm old and tired in the mind and would forget much that I learned, so I wait till I'm ready to build to do research. I really like what's being done so far on this ship, But I don't like to copy others work I do gain much inspiration from it though.
 

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The most accurate is the CC kit. ( but it's huge at 1:72 and expensive ) Its 15kg in weight ( I unbox it on my you tube)
The Amati if ever re;lased will be the best but at 1:64 a monster.

The AL is the Santa Ana Victory kit ( Same Hull diff fit out, rear end front but same!). The Diagostini is the AL with MUCH better instructions.
As to the accuracy ??
 

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Well ... I had a taste of not finished.
I felt obliged to add molding on the right, on the left! :)

Some pictures :

















The stern will be mounted later, when the hull will be made.
But this part helped me to see and determine the colors, the style for the whole ship.
 
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I don't know whether you have noticed, but in the Real Ships section of this forum there are photo collections (including my own) of visits made to the actual ship. These might help or inspire as you move forward. Great build so far.
 

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Yes, thank you, I saw these pictures. I too have a whole library of pictures of Portmouth Victory.
The problem is that I am not inspired by that of 1765, rebuilt (after Trafalgar) in 1803 (with a major renovation in 1929), but the previous HMS Victory, built in 1737 ... ;)
 
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