Shipyard HMS Victory 1:96 build

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While I was waiting on other Projects to dry I decided to start on this Build. I had a hard time finding 1mm thick non corrugated cardboard or paper to make the frame from. then when I did find something close enough its in small sheets. So I notched 3 sheets together 20181013_214945.jpg
Glued up with Thin CA to make one sheet
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I cut out the pattern for both sides of the cardboard sandwich and glued it down to one side only when this dries I'll cut it out and glue on the other side
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This will be a slow build. I have to many oars in the fire right now so other projects will be ahead of this but as I have free time I'll do alittle here and there.
 

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Hi Joe, that's quite the undertaking! I've looked at the Shipyard Victory and ran the other way:) A good source for 1mm cardboard is what they call greyboard at most art supply stores. Another is magazine stores believe it or not. It's what they divide up the hordes of magazines with when they are shipped. Comic book stores usually have it by the ton every month and they use it as dividers in their bins but mostly recycle it. The backing board for comics is also another source. From experience, I'd say try to grab onto 1mm stuff as a little bit off here and there will definitely add up to a big error with Victory in the end. It really sucks cutting out all those formers just to have them disappoint you later. There are a ton of Polish hobby sites that sell laser cut
former sets for pretty cheap. The polish companies use a very dense beer coaster like material. I'm gonna watch this one!
 

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Thank you for the info Brother none of the craft stores had any that was 1MM, closes I found was .5mm. I went to 4 different chain stores here in the US I went to Office Depot nothing to be found. Walmart nothing. I checked the Net for it, but most places didn't have it or wanted me to buy a ton of it and that wasn't gonna happen, I'd just as soon roll the kit into a log and Heat the house with it in the fireplace lol For exactly 1mm thick the best I found was Slip Sheets Used for the Folk lift Industry. I work in that Industry and had customers who used to use those, but no longer do. A slip sheet is thick dense cardboard non corrugated its used as apposed to a pallet. a few places I used to service moved to the plastic ones as they were reusable, Slip sheets are exactly 1mm thick, but Id have to buy 5000 min. The stuff I found and am using is 1.05MM thick so no big deal as its used for the frame and bulkheads Heavy structural stuff that I have seen so far in the kit.

Usually I'm pretty demanding about using exactly what I'm supposed to, but in this case I was no longer willing to be stubborn since its not that far off. I do have exact .5 mm and I could double that up but I'm not into making more work for myself when I have something close enough. My wife isn't happy about the build as I have amassed a rather large supply of paper in all thicknesses rolls of non corrugated cardboard card stock chip board and anything else I could find in my travels to build this kit with. All of it donated by my customers to see if it was thick enough. it would have been better to just take my thickness gauge to work with me, but for some reason my brain wasn't working so as I saw what might work I asked for some of it. I have enough to build 10 ships no doubt about it. lol Its all good what I don't use for the ship I can use as fire starter for the fireplace. The board I found wasn't cheap was like $18 for 20 pieces 8.5X11" But I got tired of searching for the right stuff so I gave in and bought it. BTW do you have any links to the laser cut stuff
 
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awesome Brother Thank you I have the wife to cut out all the parts in the kit for me she likes doing that stuff. Myself after cutting out the frame I was ready to wad it all up and burn it I hate cutting stuff out with scissors, I'd rather spank a gorilla with a hand full of nails. As I need parts Ill hand the sheets to her lol the instructions for the kit are pretty bad but I'm sure I will figure it out. I bought it as a play around with kit just to see if I can build it in paper. I did buy the Dowel mast and sail kits for it I really don't want to use paper for those. Ill probably bash the kit a bit adding wood veneer here and there for decking and maybe final hull planking will see how I feel when I get that far. this will be a challenge for sure But I like Difficult the harder it is the more I like it.
 

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Have a look at my Bellona thread. It's my boogey man that peeks at me from atop a bookcase screaming at me to finish it! I did use the veneer for the hull
and will change out my deck as well. They make a beautiful base model just screaming to be made into something beautiful :)
 

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That looks awesome, great planking job on it. I will be adding some 1/2"X1/2" square wood stock to the main frame to ensure it stays straight I also notices once the frame paper templates were glued down the whole thing was trying to curl from the deck line to the keel so I may add stiffeners of the same wood stock at every 3rd bulkhead to ensure that doesn't happen. there is nothing worse then trying to work around a bent frame right now I have the assembly pressed between to 3/4 thick pieces of MDF I hope when I pull it out in a couple days its nice and straight. I have the Victory Kit in Wood also, but I have a few other ships ahead of that build. I'm gathering Information right now for a POF Scratch Build Of the USF Constellation that will probably take me atleast a year, I plan to hand make all the blocks, Shackles and everything for that build. I'm currently building the ZHL Black Pearl, The Blandford cross section and this Victory paper kit. I like building 2 at a time this will be my first attempt at 3 though this Victory build will be only while I am stalled on the other 2 for now.
 

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Got a bunch cut out thanks to my wife for doing that chore for me this is all frame parts. Started gluing the bulkheads to the 1mm board. She even left me the line so I can trim it to what I need she's a good woman. 20181025_100021.jpg
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I'll do all the notching with a razor knife. If anyone else is building in paper or has built in paper what glue are you using? I'm using PVA and I'll stiffen all the edges with CA.The PVA works well, but it's a pain to apply without the paper trying to curl itself into a tube I have to clean my hands after every single piece I glue or it will leave little boogers. Yes I'm spreading the glue with a finger.
 

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Joe, Use a spray adhesive to bond the templates to your heavy board. No warping, curling or any such nonsense. I use the Elmers brand but the stuff can be found almost anywhere and a can lasts a long time. PVA is awesome for bonding parts together etc and using CA to strengthen parts or prevent
de-lamination of formers. Can't wait to see this one come together!

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Thanx Brother I'll grab some to try I have a lot of stuff to glue to the cardboard as you well know. what I had displayed in the photos took me nearly an hour to glue down. I don't want to be rushing anything because that's how mistakes are made, but with a better method I could cut that time in half and still do a good job, that's a half hour I can get something else done. I am a fairly efficient person so I always want to use my time wisely.
 

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This will take hours off the time and make for perfect, warp free bulkheads :) If I may suggest..perhaps try gluing the paper down to the heavy stuff and leaving a border around the piece. Then cut the piece out in one shot . That way you don't have to be so careful both times. With the smaller models, I'll spray glue the entire page down and then cut 'em out
 

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awesome cant wait to get it to try out . all the bulkheads I glued up today all warped so I now have them pressed to remove the warp. I ordered the spray adhesive will be here Saturday. I have used the 3M 77 spray in the past for plane builds and its fantastic stuff , but you better be dead on when you set the piece because once it touches your committed 100% so it wont do here with me trying to fit as much as possible on each board. I'll probably do as you suggest and glue down a whole sheet provided everything on the sheet is to be used for the same thickness cardboard. The sheets I used for the bulkheads are exactly 1mm I got lucky and found those at a staples yesterday. I haven't been to that one as its in another part of the state. I just happened to see the store on the way home from a customer and stopped in they are the only store to have the board its 20X30" illustration board unfortunately its not cheap at $5 per sheet but its much nicer then the 8.5X11" stuff I have. I wish I had found it when I was doing the main frame section. All is good though the frame came out nice it curled up, I pressed it for 3 days and now its perfectly straight. I will reinforce it with 3/8 X 3/8 square stock run bow to stern. I scanned every sheet and put it on a thumb drive just incase I mess something up I have to option to have it reprinted. so I don't have to buy a whole new kit. I will run to the wood mill near me tomorrow and see what they have in veneer for the decks and hull planking the decks will get .5mm thick the hull 1mm thick and a .5 over that if it doesn't come out so good if it does Ill go with the first planking.
 
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