Oliver Cromwell, POF ,Scale 1:48 by Lawrence

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Hello Ship Mates



I thank you all very much for all of your visits to my build log on the Oliver Cromwell, also for your very kind words and nice comments.

Back in the Old Ship Yard the little fellows and I have completed the sanding for all of the segments for building the center rib frames. We have also cut out with my Admirals help two heavy pieces of glass that are .200" or 5 mm thick, sanded away the sharp edges and taped our two framing diagrams to the reverse side so that we are able to use our clamps to hold the segments in place for the glue to dry. We did last evening glue up our first set, 19 more to go, ENJOY.
IMG_5063.JPG IMG_5064.JPG Regards Lawrence
 

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Hello Ship Mates
I thank you all very much for all of your visits to my build log on the Oliver Cromwell, also for your very kind words and nice comments.

Back in the Old Ship Yard the little fellows and I have completed the sanding for all of the segments for building the center rib frames. We have also cut out with my Admirals help two heavy pieces of glass that are .200" or 5 mm thick, sanded away the sharp edges and taped our two framing diagrams to the reverse side so that we are able to use our clamps to hold the segments in place for the glue to dry. We did last evening glue up our first set, 19 more to go, ENJOY.
Regards Lawrence
Hallo Lawrence,
I am happy to see , that you are also using the heavy glass for the framing like myself.......I made very good experience with this way, absolutely flat (and you can watch the glue drying ;) )
 

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I agree with you Dave the Hahn frame blank method does waste a lot of wood even more on the larger ships but it does insure a proper built hull.

you notice it more when you purchase a wood like Swiss Pearwood boards, paying for the lumber and shipping. I figured it out once and from rough boards to final frames your loosing 50 to 65% of the wood. But if you use local available wood and it is cheap then it is not so big an issue. One way to cut down on the amount of wood it to use narrow strips rather an 1 inch wide use 1/2 inch wide, the issue here is you need to build a frame blank for every frame and be more careful when building the blank.

I see your using the ole' glass trick very nice I always work on glass one thing is very few things stick to it.
 

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Hallo Lawrence,
I am happy to see , that you are also using the heavy glass for the framing like myself.......I made very good experience with this way, absolutely flat (and you can watch the glue drying ;) )
Hello Uwek
I thank you very much for your visit to my build log, also for your very kind words and nice comments. Yes, the heavy glass is working just fine. The only trouble I had is the glass is very slippery but resolved that by adding strips of masking to the glass face, ENJOY.
Regards Lawrence
 

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Great start, Lawrence. I always thought the Hahn method of constructing frames was very wasteful of wood. Around here, #1 common cherry is cheap. Same for you? If so, not really an issue.
Hello Dave
Thanks for your visit to my build log, also for your very kind words and nice comments. Yes, the Hahn build method does use a lot of wood that is for sure along with tons of sawdust. This slab of Cherrywood was given to me over 20 years ago by a friend of ours and I figured the Oliver Cromwell would be a fine place to use it. ENJOY.
Regards Lawrence
 

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I agree with you Dave the Hahn frame blank method does waste a lot of wood even more on the larger ships but it does insure a proper built hull.

you notice it more when you purchase a wood like Swiss Pearwood boards, paying for the lumber and shipping. I figured it out once and from rough boards to final frames your loosing 50 to 65% of the wood. But if you use local available wood and it is cheap then it is not so big an issue. One way to cut down on the amount of wood it to use narrow strips rather an 1 inch wide use 1/2 inch wide, the issue here is you need to build a frame blank for every frame and be more careful when building the blank.

I see your using the ole' glass trick very nice I always work on glass one thing is very few things stick to it.
Hello Didit
I also thank you very much for your visit to my build log, also for your very kind words and nice comments. Yes for sure if I had to buy all of that wood that is required for the Oliver Cromwell I would have thought twice and probably would have ordered a kit from the Lumberyard. Yes by cutting the size down to 1/2" from a 1" would only require 1/2 as much for the rib framing. But would require printing more jig patterns and being much more careful but it could be done that's for sure, ENJOY.

Regards Lawrence
 

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Hello Ship Mates,



Once again I do thank you all very much for all of your visits to my build log on the fine looking ship the Oliver Cromwell. Also for your many very kind words and nice comments. Back in the Old Ship Yard the little fellows and I continue with our frame building blanks we have completed 34 of the required 40 for the center section of the ship. At this point, it seems never ending but then the end is finally in sight, and then we can move along to cutting out the ships keel and bow timbers that will be surely a very nice change in pace. My Admiral Bernadette has given me my fathers day gift early this year, she has presented me with three build books they are The Fully Framed Model, HMS Swan Class Sloops, volume 1 and 2. Along with Swan 1V, Sail Making Supplement from the Revised Edition. I thought that this was very nice of her to do so, ENJOY
IMG_5071.JPG IMG_5072.JPG Regards Lawrence
 

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Hello Ship Mates,


Once again I do thank you all very much for all of your visits to my build log on the fine looking ship the Oliver Cromwell. Also for your many very kind words and nice comments. Back in the Old Ship Yard the little fellows and I continue with our frame building blanks we have completed 34 of the required 40 for the center section of the ship. At this point, it seems never ending but then the end is finally in sight, and then we can move along to cutting out the ships keel and bow timbers that will be surely a very nice change in pace. My Admiral Bernadette has given me my fathers day gift early this year, she has presented me with three build books they are The Fully Framed Model, HMS Swan Class Sloops, volume 1 and 2. Along with Swan 1V, Sail Making Supplement from the Revised Edition. I thought that this was very nice of her to do so, ENJOY
Regards Lawrence
I never did the framing in this way, so I am every time curious about when you post a new posting.......it is very interesting to see.
One question to your new books from Antscherl......I have the old versions and would be interested, what is the difference......would it be possible, once you have some time, that you make a photo of the contents-listing and send it via mail? So I could compare.....
 

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I never did the framing in this way, so I am every time curious about when you post a new posting.......it is very interesting to see.
One question to your new books from Antscherl......I have the old versions and would be interested, what is the difference......would it be possible, once you have some time, that you make a photo of the contents-listing and send it via mail? So I could compare.....
Hello Uwe

Thank you very much for your visit to my build log, also for your very kind words and nice comments. Yes, this type of build is also new to me. So it should get very interesting in the conning months. In regards to your question could you please send me your e-mail address, ENJOY.

Regards Lawrence
 

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David Antscherl's books are a great as a reference but keep in mind they are for a British Sawn Class ship. Ships built in North America were built different the French built their ship different and so on. The Oliver Cromwell was an American built privateer so it would not have been built like a swan class ship. The bow construction in Hahn's model is correct for an American built ship what David shows is how the British built a bow in a British naval yard.

to give you a general idea may I refer you to the following article posted over at the Navy Board Model site

part 1 http://www.navyboardmodels.com/sites/default/files/documents/journal/topics/2013_12_05.pdf

part 2 http://www.navyboardmodels.com/sites/default/files/documents/journal/topics/2014_01_04.pdf

part 3 http://www.navyboardmodels.com/sites/default/files/documents/journal/topics/2014_05_04.pdf

Around the 1960s early 1970s wooden ship model building as a hobby began to go main stream and become recognized. Before this, information was hard to come by so what information that was available was generalized into one big “this is how wooden ships were built” as the hobby became more popular and more research and archaeological data became available a realization of ship were built different by different countries, shipyard to shipyard, depending on the year built and so on. To this day some of those conclusions that were jumped to still persist and one by one it is being sorted out.

You can almost say each and every wooden ship built was a one of a kind one off build. Sure there were general rules but they were actually “general” the actual construction had leeway.
 
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David Antscherl's books are a great as a reference but keep in mind they are for a British Sawn Class ship. Ships built in North America were built different the French built their ship different and so on. The Oliver Cromwell was an American built privateer so it would not have been built like a swan class ship. The bow construction in Hahn's model is correct for an American built ship what David shows is how the British built a bow in a British naval yard.

to give you a general idea may I refer you to the following article posted over at the Navy Board Model site

part 1 http://www.navyboardmodels.com/sites/default/files/documents/journal/topics/2013_12_05.pdf

part 2 http://www.navyboardmodels.com/sites/default/files/documents/journal/topics/2014_01_04.pdf

part 3 http://www.navyboardmodels.com/sites/default/files/documents/journal/topics/2014_05_04.pdf

Around the 1960s early 1970s wooden ship model building as a hobby began to go main stream and become recognized. Before this, information was hard to come by so what information that was available was generalized into one big “this is how wooden ships were built” as the hobby became more popular and more research and archaeological data became available a realization of ship were built different by different countries, shipyard to shipyard, depending on the year built and so on. To this day some of those conclusions that were jumped to still persist and one by one it is being sorted out.

You can almost say each and every wooden ship built was a one of a kind one off build. Sure there were general rules but they were actually “general” the actual construction had leeway.
Hello Didit

I thank you very much for your visit to my build log on the Oliver Cromwell. Also for your very kind words and nice comments. Yes, I am well aware that David Antscgerl's books are on the British built ships, I did get these books for strictly references on just how to build my Oliver Cromwell as this type [POF] building method is very new to me and I figure that I need all the help that I can Get. I do want to try and build her as she was built in the USA many years ago. ENJOY.

Regards Lawrence
 

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I thank you very much for your visit to my build log on the Oliver Cromwell. Also for your very kind words and nice comments. Yes, I am well aware that David Antscgerl's books are on the British built ships, I did get these books for strictly references on just how to build my Oliver Cromwell as this type [POF] building method is very new to me and I figure that I need all the help that I can Get. I do want to try and build her as she was built in the USA many years ago.

just by watching you build those frames I figured you have a grasp on what's going on and the list of scratch built models shows, yup you are an accomplished model builder.
I thought well just in case I posted links to the framing article.

By following what Hahn drew and built you are really close to the actual construction of the ship.


My Admiral Bernadette has given me my fathers day gift early this year, she has presented me with three build books they are The Fully Framed Model, HMS Swan Class Sloops, volume 1 and 2. Along with Swan 1V, Sail Making Supplement from the Revised Edition. I thought that this was very nice of her to do so,

boy! that was a wonderful gift I also have the books and many times I used them as a reference.
 

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I built several of Hahn's ships and it is tricky when it comes to gluing the frame pattern to the blank. It is so easy to distort the thin paper pattern.
 

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I built several of Hahn's ships and it is tricky when it comes to gluing the frame pattern to the blank. It is so easy to distort the thin paper pattern.
Hello Didit
I again thank you very much for your visit to my build log and also for your very kind information. Yes, I have been thinking of just that. I do believe that I will clamp the pattern on each side around the center area, spray on an adhesive glue to the wood on one side, lay out the pattern and remove the clamps and spray the second side and then cut away the center and outside excess paper. I do believe that this will work but not sure until I actually try it out, ENJOY.

Regards Lawrence
 

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I thank you very much for your visit to my build log on the Oliver Cromwell. Also for your very kind words and nice comments. Yes, I am well aware that David Antscgerl's books are on the British built ships, I did get these books for strictly references on just how to build my Oliver Cromwell as this type [POF] building method is very new to me and I figure that I need all the help that I can Get. I do want to try and build her as she was built in the USA many years ago.

just by watching you build those frames I figured you have a grasp on what's going on and the list of scratch built models shows, yup you are an accomplished model builder.
I thought well just in case I posted links to the framing article.

By following what Hahn drew and built you are really close to the actual construction of the ship.


My Admiral Bernadette has given me my fathers day gift early this year, she has presented me with three build books they are The Fully Framed Model, HMS Swan Class Sloops, volume 1 and 2. Along with Swan 1V, Sail Making Supplement from the Revised Edition. I thought that this was very nice of her to do so,

boy! that was a wonderful gift I also have the books and many times I used them as a reference.
Hello Didit
Yes, I do very much agree with you that these books are a very useful and also a wonderful gift from my Admiral Bernadette. Well, I have been doing a lot of searching for information on the Oliver Cromwell type ship for well over a month now. Have made a ton of sawdust and cut out and glued up the 20 center framing blanks that now must be glued together and lightly sanded before I can glue the rib patterns to them up in preparation for the scroll saw. But all of this is on hold for just over a week as we are off to the Byers Lodge on the French Riner in Northern Ontario for a week to celebrate My Admirals 72thd birthday and also lots of R & R along with a bit of fishing, or should I say we will try, ENJOY.

Regards Lawrence

PS, I have been searching for a set of sail plans for my Oliver Cromwell, I do realize that it will be a long way off but My Admiral wants to start working on them at her own speed and not wanting to be rushed. I do have lots of information on Masting and Rigging, from my set of plans and also from the HMS Druid from Chris Hahn, along with the huge amount of information from David Anstcherl's books. I do suppose that I could draw them up but then I would be doing a lot of guessing and this I prefer not to do if at all possible.

These are the two parts that I was referring to earlier

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G'day Lawrence, the little fellow and if course your 'backbone'- Bernadette
I finally found your new log. I enjoyed reading it immensely.
I'm might be a bit late, but I'm here for the fun stuff now.
Happymodeling yo you all
Greg
 
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