No Sails Rigging Suggestions

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Folks, I should know the answer to this one, but as I run this through my thoughts, I realize that I might not know the true accurate answer.

On my San Felipe, I will depict the ship with ALL sails removed. So, therefore, I am wondering in a real situation is this: Do these Blocks / Pulleys still stay on the YARD ?
a) Pulleys / Blocks for the Bunt lines
b) Pulleys / Blocks for the Leech Lines
c) Pulleys / Blocks for the Clue Lines
d) Pulleys / Blocks for the Sheet Lines

a, b, c, d, or a combo or all the above. I am thinking that all of these Pulleys / Blocks will be taken down as well if the sails are stowed.

What do you all think ? The only lines that I can think of that would remain would be the Yard Lifts and Braces (and of course the slings that hold yard to mast)

Thanks
 
G'day Donnie
That's a great question! May I suggest, if you are not going to put any sails on her, I would only do the the standing rigging like the stays, shrouds and all the other non running lines on. Do not worry with the running lines. It would look funny to have block hanging from the yards etc..
If you want to run the running lines, I believe that you should have the sails on, event if the are rolled and tie on the yards.
Sorry for not answering your direct answer.
Happymodeling
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Does anyone else have any suggestions ? I had read somewhere that on a real tall ship that the Blocks for the Bunt and Leech (which are on the yard) are often times pulled over to the center close to the Mast. However, yes, it would look not right to have blocks hanging there with nothing rigged to them. I could not imagine all those blocks having to come down off the yards. that would be a huge task.

It also seems like the rigging line would also stay there too. Its just that the sail is not mounted and the rigging line is just "terminated" or "tied off" at the block on the yard. Question-Mark
 
I think I solved the Bunt line problem. The line stays and is just pulled tight. The leech line might be the same and the line is just pulled tight when sail is removed.
 
I always install the blocks anyhow As if the sails are out for repair, most of the ships I see without the sails still have the blocks in place. IMHO it wouldn't make sense for the sailors to remove them only to have to reinstall them to go sailing. So I install them I do however make them look just as nice as any that are rigged in, But I don't have to tell you that your work speaks for itself.
 
looking forward to seeing more pictures of the build. I started the Blandford had a ton of issues getting started, was beginning to think maybe I shouldn't or wasn't meant to build that project. I have just about all the frame parts cut out and decided to wait till Wednesday till I get an oscillating Spindle sander to bring all the cuts to the line. Did the first frame set mostly with files and sandpaper was a lot of work.
 
I did not find any definite answer on this question in the web - maybe in the evening It search a little bit in my library about "seamanship".

But my subjective opinion in moment:
If the vessel is in the harbour for a shorter time, but removed and stored the sails in the hold (to protect the sails)- I am pretty sure, that the blocks and maybe also the the running rigging will stay where they are, with the yard-arms lowered.
If the vessel is laying in the harbour, and Paid Off / de-commissioned, the equipment is removed from the ship - I could imagine, that not only the guns were removed, but also the complete running rigging including the blocks from the yards-arms - but in this case I can imagine, that the maybe also removed also the complete yard arms from the masts if the vessel was for a longer time de-commissioned.

I will see, if the books are telling me something
 
Hi Donnie

All the Caldercraft kits do not have sails, but still had a lot of running rigging and their respective blocks. When I did the Endeavour, it had heaps of both and 4 sets of plans dedicated to just the bare rigging.. I understand that the yards are in a different position when sails are not present. The only rigging missing would be that connected to the sails.

The Peterson period ship rigging book goes into detail on both
 
I hate to be a nag and being dumb on top of that. But, lets say this for an example. The leech line(s) are fixed (no pulley) ON the sail. (??) Ok, if this is so, then starting at the sail, where the leech line is attached, if you follow that line, it will pass through a block (of which is fastened to the yard). Then the line makes it way to a belaying pin rack. Now, if or when the sail is taken completely down and removed from yard and then the leech line comes down with it as the leech line is woven into the side of the sail. Therefore, the block will STAY on the yard.

Next: The Sheets: Treated the same way. The Sheets (tip end of sail) runs through (usually) via the yard BELOW then passes a Block on the lower yard - THAT line will make its way to a Belaying Pin rack. Sail is completely removed, line comes down and the Block on the yard below STAYS on yard.

These are the ONLY two sets of blocks that would be ON the yard that will not have a line passing.
 
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