LA SALAMANDRE, bomb ketch - POF - (CAF-models, 1/48)

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Uwek, what are you using to sand the nails/wire? Did you you sand or filed them in that sample?
The finish is perfect either in copper or brass.
I'm thinking of treenailing my Prince hull, I thought I coud use pencil leads since they are perfectly calibrated and available in different thicknesses, 0,5, 0,6, 0,8 etc. although they seem to leave a track of graphite when sanded.
I also thought that a broom bristles may work since they are calibrated.
My fear of using brass (or copper) wire is exactly the sanding. Being much harder than the wood I thought they were difficult to finish properly.
Your photos tells me otherwise.
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Uwek, what are you using to sand the nails/wire? Did you you sand or filed them in that sample?
The finish is perfect either in copper or brass.
I'm thinking of treenailing my Prince hull, I thought I coud use pencil leads since they are perfectly calibrated and available in different thicknesses, 0,5, 0,6, 0,8 etc. although they seem to leave a track of graphite when sanded.
I also thought that a broom bristles may work since they are calibrated.
My fear of using brass (or copper) wire is exactly the sanding. Being much harder than the wood I thought they were difficult to finish properly.
Your photos tells me otherwise.
Thanks

JL
Sorry for the late reply.....I was really busy in my regular job and today we had to make a children´s birthday of our daughter (5 years now) today.
With the graphite you have really make some trials, if this is working, also afterwards if you are putting some surface treatment of the wood surface (oil etc.)
I never tries it in this way......The other one "broom bristles" I do not understand (english is not my mother language, so I do not know this term)....... maybe you explain more in detail?

To your question of sanding the brass and copper nails and / or wire:
They can be relatively easy sanded down with normal sandpaper......steel nails are to hard and destroy partly the surface of the sandpaper, but with softer barss and copper - > No problem to do it.......
I try to cut them before sanding as close as possible near the surface of the plank, but sanding does work - no need for a file.....
Tomorrow I will try to make some photos of the working steps
 

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G'day Uwe
My wife and I, would like to extend our prayers and all the blessing for your daughter's 5th birthday. God bless her always.
Greg and Luz
 

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Sorry for the late reply.....I was really busy in my regular job and today we had to make a children´s birthday of our daughter (5 years now) today.
With the graphite you have really make some trials, if this is working, also afterwards if you are putting some surface treatment of the wood surface (oil etc.)
I never tries it in this way......The other one "broom bristles" I do not understand (english is not my mother language, so I do not know this term)....... maybe you explain more in detail?

To your question of sanding the brass and copper nails and / or wire:
They can be relatively easy sanded down with normal sandpaper......steel nails are to hard and destroy partly the surface of the sandpaper, but with softer barss and copper - > No problem to do it.......
I try to cut them before sanding as close as possible near the surface of the plank, but sanding does work - no need for a file.....
Tomorrow I will try to make some photos of the working steps
Congratulations for your daughter's birthday, 5 year is a lovely age, enjoy her youth, this time won't come back. Today (the 9th September) is my birthday too. I am not 5, just little bit order, to be exact 70 years older... :)

Thanks for your explanation, I got it.

Broom bristles, well my mother language is not English either, so as a picture is better than a thousand words here it goes:

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JL
 

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Well, it is just an idea, I never used it, but when thinking of round things that coul de used as bolts, I thought of pencil leads and bristles...

I tried pencil leads, it works with some reservations i.e., you must treat the surface afterwards.

The bristles I have not yet tried. If you try first let me know.

Regards

JL
 

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Great idea about the brush bristles. What kind would be the best? I am aware firm bristles can be made of plastics, horse hair or derived from plant material.
 

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Uwek, what are you using to sand the nails/wire? Did you you sand or filed them in that sample?
The finish is perfect either in copper or brass.
Yesterday evening I had the chance to make a small photo session of the working steps of the installation of brass nails

1) some planks are glued down, visible is my hand drill with a 0,5mm drill and the brass wire of 0,55 thinkness
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2) holes drilled with a pseudo nailing pattern
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3) with the help of a pliers I push the wire in the drilled whole
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4) For cutting I am using a nipper pliers which cuts close to the plank
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5) with this the length of brass wire outside the hole is as short as possible - here 2 "nails" are installed and 2 holes are still empty
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6) all 4 "nails" are installed but not sanded down
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7) this is the sanding block I use usually, with normal sandpaper
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8) the "nails" after some 3 or 4 times going over the wire
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9) some 2 or 3 times more
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10) and the final result of brass nails in planks
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Hope to show you soon also some performance on my La Salamandre ..... to be continued .....
 

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Just one question, Uwek, don't you glue the nails to the wood?

JL
I am not using glue, the nails or wire are fitting tight, but it is (I think) necessary, that the wire is minimum 2mm inside the timber, so I press the wire inside the hole with pliers....
 

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Yes, there is one......in one of my first posts I showed the parts for it

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Due to the fact, that one part of the jig in my kit was damaged (waiting for spare from Max) I am not able to show the jig built, but in the net you can find some photos of the actual jig. But visit the log of ADC of this model, he is showing his jig built waiting for the frames.

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In the web you can find also older versions of a jig, but these ones are not available any more (or they were not included in my kit)

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Recognized my Slamander on the upper pic))))))
 

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Will follow your build, if you do not mind)

Do you use planks and timber from the kit only?
Until now I am using mainly the timber of the kit, for the inside planking f.e., I used it on purpose, due to the fact, that the color of the stripes is aprtly different / differs - So on purpose I did not search for the same color.
I plan f.e. for the outside I will buy some better timber (AA-class)
the frames of the kit were very good wood quality - so no need to change
I will see what the future will bring - if possible to use kit material - maybe on some spots extra different timber

In general the wood / timber quality and the measures of the laser cut pieces is very good
 

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Some progress to show......

in the meantime I finished the planking works more or less, so I was able to dryfit the beams on top of the planking layers, also the riders are in place and pre-sanded.
Final adjustments will be done, when I know how I make the tree-nailing of the planking with the final sanding of the inside planking......
Some impressions of the status:

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Many thanks for your interest ....... To be continued .......
 
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