WAY TO GO DAVE, Foreget the pictures I sent you, YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION, (AS ALWAYS UNDERSTANABLY, was scratching my head for 2 days why the drawings did not match, NOW I KNOW, what a relief that is, especialy on the keel, stem, deadwood and stern post, thank THE LORD I THOUGHT I DID SOMETHING WRONG, NOW I KNOW......only other thing is determing the height to the top of rail, keel is slanted, so do not know where to establish the finish, I am asking this now as I mark MY FRAMES BEFORE INSTALLING THEM NORMALLY OFF THE FRAME DRAWINGS, but do not know where to start on this, that should be it for a while I hope........ THIS IS TO GARY I KNOW THAT DAVE MIGHT GET A LITTLE UPSET BECAUSE HE DOES NOT TOOT HIS OWN HORN, BUT THIS IS WHY I LOVE TO DO HIS KITS, BECAUSE HE WILL GIVE YOU A UNDERSTANABLE ANSWER VERY QUICKLY, GOING SO FAR AS TO GIVE A 3-D DRAWING TO A PROBLEM, LIKE HE DID ON MY CAUSTIC BUILD, so there it is...... right now I AM TAKING PICTURES OF MY PROGRESS AND LEARNING FROM DONNIE HOW TO DO A BUILDING LOG IN 10 detailed steps....THANKS DONNIE,.......WILL BE POSTING IN ABOUT 10 DAYS AFTER GOING TO MY MIDDEL SONS WEDDING ON THE GULF SHORE IN ALABAMA, REALLY LOOKING FOREWARD TO THAT. THANKS TO EVERYONE. Don