20 Gun Pirate Vessel "Viper" 1/24 Scale By JosephH

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Hey guys this is the official thread for my 32 gun Pirate vessel "Viper". Tonight after work I will be drawing up the cross section for my midships so that I get the wood sizes etc all in place before I start making all the internal structure. I still have a few adjustments to make on the aft section of the hull, however i need a break so that my head clears on the stations and come back to the hull with a clear head.

Here are a few pics of where I am at currently. Once it gets all Finished the plans will be available for download for free.

At 1/32 scale the ship comes in at 46.5" on the gun deck. I will probably offer it in 1/24 1/32 and 1/48 scale something you never see with the others they all only offer 1 size. With my Solidworks program it allows me to draw it once and just scale it when I save the file. Another thing is once finished I will have a full set of E-drawings with the plans which allows you guys to see everything in 3D and rotate around the part you want to see better. also allows you to cut a cross section where ever you like and turn on and off various parts to see something better.

A lot of other guys are starting on the 3D thing, However they still fall way short compared to what I will be offering. Their 3D you are stuck with a flat image THEY provide so with mine it is completely interactive and you can look at what you want and not what others think you want and use the 3D as more of a gimmick to sell their plans and kits. I will be giving you much more and all for free.

So hang out for the next generation of interactive plans. I will provide a link to download the E-Drawing viewer after work tonight and a sample file of the hull for the Viper so that you can look and see what the benefits of an interactive set of plans will be vs flat 3D images.

Joe

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btw i am on a 6 day stint at work so wont have a day off til fri but spending a couple hrs after work working on the Orlop deck stuff. I may need some help on the interior framing though as the layouts on drawing never show half the stuff for the interiors, so I am not fully sure on how all the interiors were framed. I am on the fwd orlop now and will post a pic once I get the floor framing laid out.
 

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some questions come up about using some features of the viewer so heres a couple tips

in the lower right you can open up the parts list and turn off all the parts you dont want to see then do the zoom in and out and rotate around.

in the first pick you see the components button to click on and it opens the list this case the assys then you can hit the arrow next to the assy and open up the assy further.

in second you right click on the assy or part in the assy and can choose hide etc.

next to components is the markup button where you can make notes on the drawings etc.

its just basically a play around get to know it but their website page I linked also has a pdf download of tutorial on using it I thunk.




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got the layout of the forward Orlop Deck laid out next will layout the aft deck then move to the lower deck then the gun deck just to get things laid out and figured out then I can start making interior parts. it wont be as fast as I like as I only work a couple hours aday right now til I get some time off but it is at least proceeding forward steadily

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Hi Joe,

Great work you are doing here.
I am not into cad drawing yet but I am looking into it for my next model. Plan is scratch building with cad drawings and machine the parts cnc. What are your experiences with the drawing programs, does your program allow scanning in drawings and digitalize these? I think cnc will be the future of our hobby and cnc machnines become affordable in the meantime. I am looking into stepcraft cnc allowing you milling, laser cutting, 3d printing, even 4 axis machining to create cnc carvings in full 3d and at a base price around € 1.000,- Maybe you have already experiences with these.
 

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I use Solidworks and is one of the top cad programs out there for 3D stuff. next would be something like catia or inventor. I can bring in scanned images and trace them. I think it has an autotrace frature though I never use them as I learned yearts ago you spend more time cleaning them up than if you brought it in and traced it yourself. any little thing on the image will cause an artifact in the autotracing and nothings connected etc so you could end up with millions of junk objects. its much better just to trace it yourself.

as for the machining etc I do a lot of work for Arizona models and so he does all my stuff for me for free so I dont have to do a lot of that cutting etc. so couldnt tell you much on that part of it
 

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Hi Joe,

I played around with your file in the e-drawings viewer, great tool.
Are you providing it later on also in dwg? I checked on Solidworks but this will cost me up to 10k so am now looking into Freecad or Google Sketchup.
I did some work in Freedcad in the past, nothing like this just some very simple steelwork.
Do you know Sketchup and Freecad and what do you think of these for private use?
 

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I use sketchup a lot it is great for 3D modeling. I do my 2D drawings in autocad and import them into Sketchup.
 

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Can you also import pdf drawings and render them in Sketchup to create parts on a small cnc machine? I am looking into an affordable combination of CAD Cam software and cnc machining. For CNC my eyes fell on the German brand Stepcraft who have a great affordable programm of tools for their cnc routers.
 

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I do not know of any cad programs that will import a PDF file you have to convert the PDF to a JPEG then import it

I export files out of Sketchup for 3D printing but don't know if you can use a file for CNC
 

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Yes I will offer it in DXF if you like. probably though just as a PDF but being saved as a PDF file directly from cad you can import the dxf into your cad program and it will convert it to editable vectors for you in case you didnt know that.

Right now I am on a slow walk as we set up for the 4th of july at work so more long hours plus I am doing research so that I get the Bow and Stern Drawn correctly with the right tapers and wood thicknesses. I forgot about them so will have to do some tweaking.
 

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solidworks and the one I use most for importing is Corel Draw they both import pdf and if it was done frm cad will be vectors
 

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Hi Joe,

Enjoy the 4th of July party. No hurry at al from my side. I still have a ship to build for the coming 2 years. I just started with this mainly got enthausiastic about your drawing work and the work on the 17th century battle station. I want to do something with that for my next project.
 

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yes it goes slow drawing. lot of people dont understand it can take a couple years or so to draw up a decent set of plans. I do really good then go back and double check everything before going on then I find small errors trying to make it as perfect as possible.
 

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before work I messed around with a 32 gun frigate I messed with before the HMS Southampton and was able to finally get this ship I started like 6 months ago and cussed and abandoned. Finally using tricks I learned over the past couple weeks I was finally able to get it lofted nicely. which means I may be able to do my 44 gun Roebuck hull sometime then my 74 gun. practice and repetition makes perfect.

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well home from work and I came across a chapman privateer drawings thats just awesome looking, however the plans I have dont show sail plan or interior any Ideas?

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Hi Joe,

Looking at the pictures this looks like the swedish royal yacht which is a champman design. The stern and cabin interior of this ship is in the swedish maritime museum which I visited some weeks ago. See below the link to my pist about this.
 
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