Admiralty style reference books

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Admiralty style reference books

Postby Donnie » Fri May 19, 2017 7:47 am

Does anyone know if there any books out there that discuss the techniques of how to build an Admiralty style ship. Most all of that type construction is going to follow the same "basic" structures. It would be even better if the author of book included a typical plans for such to help someone get started. By the way, there were a lot of unnamed ships on display at naval museum as if some were just fictitious. Makes me wonder if those were built by new naval students along time ago and they were building a ship to get the idea.
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Re: Admiralty style reference books

Postby zoly99sask » Fri May 19, 2017 10:10 am

Hi Donnie,check these books out,Harold Hans's Pof books are mandatory.

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Re: Admiralty style reference books

Postby zoly99sask » Fri May 19, 2017 10:12 am

One more book.

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Postby shipwright101 » Fri May 19, 2017 10:14 am

Donnie wrote:Does anyone know if there any books out there that discuss the techniques of how to build an Admiralty style ship. Most all of that type construction is going to follow the same "basic" structures. It would be even better if the author of book included a typical plans for such to help someone get started. By the way, there were a lot of unnamed ships on display at naval museum as if some were just fictitious. Makes me wonder if those were built by new naval students along time ago and they were building a ship to get the idea.



Navy board Ship models 1650-1750 by John Franklin

this book is a study of the admiralty model and really not a how to build them. I do not think there is a how to build an admiralty type model book out there.

as close as you will get is the swan class models by Greg Herbert however these are not Admiralty style models, they are more of plank on frame construction type models.

http://www.admiraltymodels.com/Models.html

True Admiralty style models have a system of framing as where the frames and spacing are equal and the futtocks are set between the floor timbers creating an overlapping ban of solid wood. You can see the band of wood in this model.
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you can also see the overlap pointed to by the blue arrow

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this is the true "admiralty style" of model construction this type of model building is very difficult and should only be attempted by the experienced model builder. This is a 3D image of Admiralty style framing

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NOW if you talking Plank on frame models that is another story
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Re: Admiralty style reference books

Postby zoly99sask » Fri May 19, 2017 10:15 am

And of course the Ancre books.
https://ancre.fr/en/
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Re: Admiralty style reference books

Postby shipwright101 » Fri May 19, 2017 10:38 am

This is the Oliver Cromwell built by Harold Hahn. It is an admiralty looking model with exposed framing below the main wales. The band of overlapping frames are not used but the equal frame and space are used. There are examples of this type of framing used in admiralty models.

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Harold Hahn wrote two books on model building
the colonial Schooner and Ships of the American Revolution

these books do not get into step by step construction but they do present a general understanding of the methods used.

here is the same style of framing of an admiralty model, there is no band of overlapping frames but it has that distinctive equal framing and spacing of frames found in admiralty models

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if you want to build such a model I suggest going with a Hahn model. His method is building in a jig which is very important to keeping all the frames in place.
As far as instructions there are none but if you can build a kit you can build a framed model. I have built several Hahn models as well as framed hulls so if you started a build log I can jump in with some advice or how to do it. This is a process of teaching yourself as you go. The hard part of Hahn models is doing the carvings. I suggest either the Druid which has no carvings or the Oliver Cromwell where cast carvings are available.
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Re: Admiralty style reference books

Postby donfarr » Fri May 19, 2017 12:49 pm

GLAD TO SEE youposting again, you seem to be doing fine, will start my Halifax building log hopefully next week, need yoiur help on certain items,but will wait for the answers on the log, PLEASE READ MY EMAILS, need help on posting and doing the log,...... first time doing one need help on how to post and how to put text in. THANKS FOR EVERYTHING DAVE SUPER TO SEE YOU UP AND ABOUT and that FERTILE BRAIN STILL PRODUCING IDEAS DON
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Re: Admiralty style reference books

Postby donfarr » Fri May 19, 2017 12:56 pm

Hi Donnie, I did not relize the difference between POF and Admiralty style models until just now, I am afraid the Admirilty style building is beyond my capabilities, will stick to POB and POF style builds. THANKS DON
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Re: Admiralty style reference books

Postby zoly99sask » Fri May 19, 2017 5:26 pm

Hello Dave ,the Ancre books are Admiralty or Pof ??
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Re: Admiralty style reference books

Postby Donnie » Fri May 19, 2017 6:28 pm

Ok,
Well, let me say it this way. When I was at the Navy Museum the other day, just about 90% of the models were built either POF or Admiralty.
What I want to do is build the ship that you can look all the way through and see all the levels at one time. Most of the deck is not planked or barely planked so you can see the different levels. There was just enough decking on each layer so that the cannons would have something to sit on. I thought it was very impressive. All the beams and structure was visible w just a little decking on each layer. When I get back home I will post all the images. I will try to post one in a min to show example.
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