A.L. Marina II Continuation

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Re: A.L. Marina II Continuation

Postby eric61 » Sat Jan 07, 2017 5:03 am

Finally, when I turned the boat over, I saw a big gap .
I may cut the last five inches out and redo/reshape the last section.
It is now 8.00 pm and dinner is out of the way, time to relax, I shall go and watch some gratuitous violence on TV.

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Re: A.L. Marina II Continuation

Postby popeye » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:56 pm

nice progress on this build ;-)
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Mary Ann / Susan A. / M&M fun ship
Phylly C & Denny-Zen / AmericA
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Re: A.L. Marina II Continuation

Postby eric61 » Mon May 15, 2017 9:29 pm

Hi Popeye, thanks for your comment and sorry I took so long acknowleging.

Some further progress, FIRST what I am about to show and discuss here is absolutely no reflection on Donnie or his skills, it is a common mistake that I have done myself on two models already.
The picture at the top of this page illustrates the problem that I'm sure many modellers have created inadvertantly, shaping the stern not using a plank to test 435 angles when sanding the bulkheads, as I stated I have done it twice!
So, how can one fix this "problem" a lot of cut and paste, cutting small pieces of wood, shaping then pasting(glue). (664/669) shows how I fitted the planks onto the stern keel. I had originally mitred the ends to line up with the dark line down the centre of the keel but the glue did not hold (even using CA glue). They needed a greater surface to adhere to, hence the alternating pattern.
(665) They alternated to this stage, now because the way the bulkhead, middle of picture, actually second last bulkhead of ship, was shaped it caused the planks to sit a bit higher, consequently at the triangular gap the planks are 4mm higher than the keel, solution = a lot of cut and paste! (666/668)
(667) This is one of those Mmmmmm! moments when the strip one labouriously trimmed and shaped got broked while taking it out after a dry fit that was way too tight - TWICE! there is another one on the other side of the hull. I am sorely tempted to put a piece of masking tape underneath and the fill it in with wood filler.
Dear reader, this is what makes this such an annoyingly frustrating but so damningly enjoyable a hobby.
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Re: A.L. Marina II Continuation

Postby popeye » Tue May 23, 2017 8:35 am

I've done the Mary Ann and the Cux 87.....billing's kits, and they have the same stern design. they were a pain to plank ;-) you've done something in the idea of a herringbone design......ties them in quite well. the last picture is interesting......one would think a stealer, but by trimming out planking on both sides of the gap {equivalent to the width of the planking your using}, you could jog in a short piece of planking.

well done on the planking.....you've achieved a nice contour! ;-)
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Mary Ann / Susan A. / M&M fun ship
Phylly C & Denny-Zen / AmericA
Andrea Gail

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Half Moon
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trawler Syborn
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Re: A.L. Marina II Continuation

Postby popeye » Tue May 23, 2017 8:47 am

catching up with the rest of your log, I noticed you were looking for ideas for the bow. Donnie had a fairly good thought going there.....the bow stem is what.....3/16 thick. planking would make it thicker. the way I prep the planking for the bow, is to cut at an angle for the contour and then bevel it to reduce the thickness. with the bow shaped like that, beveling is not needed. let the planking give you the flat edge to the bow, and them round the edges, to give you the blunt point.

you probably have this done already.....
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Nordkap 476 / Cux 87 / Gundalow
Mary Ann / Susan A. / M&M fun ship
Phylly C & Denny-Zen / AmericA
Andrea Gail

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Gothenborg
Half Moon
Boulogne Etaples
trawler Syborn
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Holiday Harbor
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Re: A.L. Marina II Continuation

Postby Donnie » Sat May 27, 2017 9:49 pm

All I can say is that I am glad this kit is in good hands. As a matter of fact, it could be in anyone's good hands. Just so happen that Eric took it off of mine ! :greetings-waveyellow:

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Re: A.L. Marina II Continuation

Postby popeye » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:38 am

here is a really freak thing that happened to me. I met a fellow on MSW.....after chatting a few times, he PM's me and tells me that he has a couple of hulls that he doesn't want. after seeing them, I recognized them as the Marina II, in different stages of assembly. he would send them to me, since he has no use for them.....and now I have them. one of them, with a little rework, would make the ship.....the other one, I'll make into something else.

is there some way you could scan the instructions for me? I don't need the entire thing.......just the important stuff, like the deck layout, the boom set ups, the pilot house and the rigging parts. anything you can help me with would be very appreciated. I contacted A.L. about the instructions, and I have to jump through hoops to get them. the fellow I chatted with seemed to have no concept on scratch building. I will continue to search around for pictures and stuff.
thanks,,,,,
finished builds:
Nordkap 476 / Cux 87 / Gundalow
Mary Ann / Susan A. / M&M fun ship
Phylly C & Denny-Zen / AmericA
Andrea Gail

in cue:
Gothenborg
Half Moon
Boulogne Etaples
trawler Syborn
U.S.S. United States
Holiday Harbor
Titanic
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Re: A.L. Marina II Continuation

Postby eric61 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:43 pm

Hi Popeye, that's great!
Give me a few days and I will fish out the book with the color pictures in it and scan it for you and I will look at the best way to scan the plans which are full size (two pages of them)
The colour booklet is about A5 in size. I will turn them into .pdf and zip them (I use Winrar)

Regarding my hull and the bow. I have been taking the strips all the way to the bow and will sand it to almost a point. I haven't done any work on the ships lately as I've been spending more time getting my CNC up and running (two and a half years it's been idle) I am about to re-level the sacrificial board after some lower table work.

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Eric
Cook's Endeavour - current,
Sovereign of the Seas - current (deAgostini)
In queue: Marina II Fishing Boat by Artesania Latina
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Re: A.L. Marina II Continuation

Postby popeye » Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:24 am

your CNC? what is it..I'm not familiar. that sounds great! thank you so much! when I start on either of them......I'm really going to need to backwards a little......the decks are a mess, and the one that would be a good candidate for the Marina II, had a bulge in the aft deck....the other one, I'm think of a futuristic battle cruiser. pdf is perfect......I have winrar too. my e-mail is no secret here seymoregutz@comcast.net

I really appreciate your doing this for me.......it will give me all I need to go on :D I know I may meander here and there, but I'll try to stay with the model as close as I can.
finished builds:
Nordkap 476 / Cux 87 / Gundalow
Mary Ann / Susan A. / M&M fun ship
Phylly C & Denny-Zen / AmericA
Andrea Gail

in cue:
Gothenborg
Half Moon
Boulogne Etaples
trawler Syborn
U.S.S. United States
Holiday Harbor
Titanic
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Re: A.L. Marina II Continuation

Postby zoly99sask » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:12 am

Ohh,my god Denis !!another ship??I can't keep up with only one. :roll:

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