HMS Royal William - Euromodel - 1:72

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HMS Royal William - Euromodel - 1:72

Postby KeithW » Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:41 am

I am quite far ahead in my build, so i'll make a quick few posts and the get up to speed.

OVERVIEW AND GENERAL KIT IMPRESSION

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The box is really large and heavy, and arrives absolutely packed. Every bit of spare space is taken up by ... peanut foam. I filled up a plastic bag full of these annoying things and was able to get at the kit.

First, the bad:

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The instructions are not very good (to say the least). For a kit of this complexity, the rather thin instruction booklet only contains THREE pages of instructions, of which the first page is taken up by the history of the ship, and some congratulatory notes. This shot is of the second page, and contains nothing that no experienced modeller wouldn't know. OTOH the plans (see next post) are excellent, however many diagrams in the plans could have been printed on smaller pieces of paper and bound in a booklet instead. As it is, all 17 sheets of plans are too large, unwieldy, and hard to find.

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The ships boat is a cast resin item. Whilst it is well cast, other kit manufacturers are offering plank-on-frame boats. Oh yes, only one boat? For a first rate ship?

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Some of the castings are not very good. Look at how chunky this window is. This will have to go into the bin - I will make replacements from scratch.

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Likewise, the ship's lantern is a clumsy looking affair.

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The gunport hinges are excessively chunky and out of scale.

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The gun carriages continue the theme - simplified, ungraceful, and lacking realism.

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The flags appear to be printed with a previous generation colour printer. You can see how grainy they appear.

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The wood is of decent quality, but I plan to substitute these with pear and holly.

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Fortunately, the parts which I lack the skill to scratchbuild (like the figurehead) are of excellent quality. This is cast in Brittania metal - soft and malleable.

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The side moldings are also well cast, although there is an excessive amount of flash which will require a lot of cleanup.

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The blocks are the best I have ever seen in a kit. Crisply formed, accurately drilled.

This is one of the most expensive kits on the market. It does NOT include any photoetched parts, and some aspects of quality are rather disappointing for a kit at this price point. However, other aspects of the kit are unmatched by other manufacturers.
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Re: HMS Royal William - Euromodel - 1:72

Postby KeithW » Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:53 am

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I started off by drilling a hole in the false keel to mount a sturdy bolt, which will support the ship on the display board once complete.

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The frames were attached with the aid of a square. Despite the frames being laser cut, they were a sloppy fit with about 1mm of play. Every frame had to be shimmed and then checked for squareness.

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Once the frames were glued on, I added some structural reinforcement (not mentioned in the plans).

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I went rather overboard with the structural reinforcement - at this stage, the skeleton was absolutely rock solid with not a hint of give anywhere. I then started to taper the frames.

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You realize very early on that all is not well with the kit, when parts that SHOULD fit together - don't. This picture illustrates a problem with the design of frame "F". You can see that it is installed correctly with respect to the main and middle decks (the stringers run true and straight), while the lower deck has a pronounced downwards kink, and the top of the fo'c'sle deck is 1.5mm shorter than it should be!

Also note that the bottom parts of frames C and D do not meet the bottom of the false keel, whereas the preceding frame B, and the frames that follow (E and F) do. These frames had to be shimmed and then shaped.
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Re: HMS Royal William - Euromodel - 1:72

Postby KeithW » Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:59 am

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The bow filler blocks were supplied as a single, large block of basswood which had to be cut in two and then carved to shape. This was not particularly easy.

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I photocopied the plans and then cut out templates. Here, I am checking the curvature of the bow block against the template.

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After shaping and gluing both blocks on the ship, I started first planking. The arrow denotes a gap in the false keel (another kit error) which I shimmed to support the deck which will be installed in the future.

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First planking continues.
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Re: HMS Royal William - Euromodel - 1:72

Postby KeithW » Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:11 pm

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The keel was fitted with nails to help hold the part securely to the ship. Heavy metal decorations will be cantilevered off the keel later, so it is important that the joint is strong!

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Accurate and repeatable placement of the keel is guaranteed by using dowels drilled through both parts and into the false keel. Even with no glue, the entire structure is solid and does not easily come off. A very good sign.

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I decided to route power into the ship for lighting by electrifying the support rods mentioned in an earlier post.

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The nuts which the bolts screw into were soldered with wire, which was then routed into the lower deck, and on to the lights ...

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... which appear to work really well!
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Re: HMS Royal William - Euromodel - 1:72

Postby KeithW » Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:14 pm

This series of photos shows completion of first planking, up to the level of the main deck.
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Re: HMS Royal William - Euromodel - 1:72

Postby GaryM » Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:49 pm

You are doing a lot to fix a bad design. The castings you show are not even up to the quality that would anyone would expect to come out in a kit even costing 1/4 as much. Obviously an old design kit that has not realized this is a new century and that it is time to replace 1950's equipment. Good luck with this kit.
Obviously you are really experienced in modeling ships, but this type of knowledge should not be required to fix a bad designed model that cost as much as this kit. It seems that the manufacture does not have any pride in their product.
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Re: HMS Royal William - Euromodel - 1:72

Postby Donnie » Wed May 13, 2015 8:52 pm

Gary,
I think it has become common knowledge here about the lackluster of some kits. Even with the project you are working on you realize the shortcomings of your kit lacking historical accuracy. Again, I don't want to be off topic, but we should remain to encourage. Any newcomer to this hobby would be discouraged as to what ship kit to buy then if all of these have problems.

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Re: HMS Royal William - Euromodel - 1:72

Postby GaryM » Thu May 14, 2015 3:11 am

I sometimes forget that people on this site may not realize the level of a kit that is being built. Keith is doing a great job tackling this large advanced model and did not mean anything discouraging. Since he has built a few models, I am sure he is up to the task.
We all need to be thankful that any kit is available since gathering the information, assembling the right materials, making plans and determining steps of construction is an enormous task that the manufacture has done for us. Making laser cut parts, photo etching parts, casting and other items are things that most of us could not do since we lack artist skills and have trouble even making stick figures look good without a ruler.
The ships I have built or are working on would never get built if their was not a kit that was available.
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Re: HMS Royal William - Euromodel - 1:72

Postby Donnie » Thu May 14, 2015 11:35 am

Gary,
I appreciate your openness about this. We all wish, and have high expectations when we buy a kit and we expect kit manufactures to do their homework before releasing a kit - or at least going back to do a release to correct problems.
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Re: HMS Royal William - Euromodel - 1:72

Postby fragle123 » Thu May 14, 2015 11:46 pm

Hi Keith shes looking very nice and i like the idea of lighting her up, i dont know if you have checked the manufacturers website but there are some files you can download for this kit that maybe of help to you here the link http://www.euromodel-ship.com/eng/royal ... z3aB6e2kgs
hope this is ok and lovely work by the way
cheers steve

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