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Mantua Sergal's Sovereign of Seas

Postby GaryM » Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:49 pm

Since the level of detail a person may add and the availability and amount of research a person may chose to perform will vary with each modeler, the times I show are related to the actual work performed on the vessel. Each person’s ability to read and interpret plans can vary a great detail. Thus, the time reflects only that used to measure the plans for comparison on the vessel or to determine the size of wood used to make a part that is unclear and not listed in the instructions or on the plans separately. Hopefully, by doing this, a person can use this as a guide to determine the level of commitment necessary to compete this type of project or can use it to gauge how far along they are if building the same vessel.

Get the revised instructions for this kit at the following web site. It is 74 pages with hundreds of steps and photos of the steps. The instructions are still not to be followed blindly in the order they give and you need to look ahead and determine the order of assembly based upon logic, accessibility, and your construction methods. For example: the guns that will be mounted under the deck in the bow that point forward were not shown to have any blocks into which the dummy cannons would be mounted. trying to repair this problem would not appear until after the decorations and front end was completed and ready to be wrapped up prior to the start of the rigging.
Finally, I have most of the parts I need to finish this ship. Thus I started this and have about 15 hours into the construction. I have used 94 parts.
Mantua has laser cut the planking on the new decks and walls. What they have done is actually burn through about 1/3 of the sheets that make up the walls and decks and other planked surfaces. This will save hours of measuring, cutting and laying the actual wood pieces. The only thing is that it is a two step deck planking scheme. The appearance is good, but ships usually used four offsets. With this method, they save a lot of money by not providing wood to build the walls or plank the decks. The outside second layer where the guns go also comes as one piece for each row of dummy cannons, cannon doors and the dead-eyes channels all include the same simulated planking. Also, balsa is the first step of outside planking that attaches to the frames.
Everything fits together really well and It is still a nice kit. However, I wish they would let us plank everything since we know how to do it right if we are building a model at this level. The caulking lines will show up very well and the way the pieces must fit together are etched in the proper place. The part etching is a nice touch and helpful.
This is a wooden kit but more like plastic kit part assembly.
The plans are with the kit, but the new instruction book for assembly with 465 steps and pictures of each step is available on the web for you to print. This is the web site: http://www.mantuamodelhelp.com/Article. ... cleId=1685.
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Completed: Amati: HMS Prince (old 1:78 version); Billings: Norske Love and Vasa; Mantua: La Couronne; Sergal: Mississippi Riverboat and La Soleil Royal
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Re: Mantua Sovereign of Seas

Postby popeye » Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:18 am

looks like a fairly large build.......good quality wood ;) Billing's did this with their earlier kits......they simply used printing, as a way of marking the decks.
just because they marked the deck though...doesn't mean you have to follow it. ;) if you've researched the ship, and you have a plan for her, then go for it.

I'll look forward in seeing your progress ;)
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Re: Mantua Sovereign of Seas

Postby GaryM » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:54 am

I thought about it popeye, since I have the old wood from the ship prior to its current revision. The change is enough that the old parts do not fit the new frame. I am starting to get used to it. Also, the fact that the lines are perfectly made and since they use it for the side of the ship above the waterline, it will make it really appear more real to most viewers. With so many other ships to build and a few more on my bucket list, at my age, I don't mind taking a hundred hours or more off the build time.
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Current build: Sergal Sovereign of the Seas
In Que: Sergal: Cutty Sark and Amerigo Vespucci; Billings Titanic
Completed: Amati: HMS Prince (old 1:78 version); Billings: Norske Love and Vasa; Mantua: La Couronne; Sergal: Mississippi Riverboat and La Soleil Royal
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Re: Mantua Sovereign of Seas

Postby popeye » Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:58 am

I hear you on that.........it's the reason why I don't go crazy with the hidden detail now-a-days........I'm not getting any younger either ;) with what I have going on at the moment......it'll keep me busy for quite some time :)

whatever your plan is for this build........I'm sure it will be sweet!
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Re: Mantua Sovereign of Seas

Postby CharlesEdward » Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:35 am

Ahoy Gary, another of my favorite future kits to drool over as you build this. You and I seem to lean towards very similar kits. I believe that my Santa Maria was a Mantua kit, and although it was my fourth model built around 1988 or so, I remember that the instructions had to be studied closely in order to make sense of them. Now I can look at the Euromodel Royal William plans and actually make more sense out of them, (with entirely no instructions and the plans all in Italian), with only a few read troughs'. That will be a most interesting build when I start it in earnest.
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Re: Mantua Sovereign of Seas

Postby GaryM » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:16 pm

Hey there John. I need a challenge and the extra detail and something that will make beautiful display. You have to have a good beginning to make it justifiable to spend time on research and accurate enhancements. Thus, only the highest priced kits are worthwhile and detailed enough. Unfortunately, Mantua seems to be heading the other direction. This is really evident in the Cutty Sark. They did correct some of their errors from previous versions, but the current kit is a lot less realist and cheapened as I mentioned in the log for this kit.
The SoS kit has a lot of better features than the previous version. The major issue I have is that at this level, we like to build a model, not just put parts together with fake planking and the like. Some of the way the rails are pre-cut helps improve accuracy and overall appearance which is nice and better than some of us can accomplish without tons of scrapped attempts.
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Gary Maple

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Current build: Sergal Sovereign of the Seas
In Que: Sergal: Cutty Sark and Amerigo Vespucci; Billings Titanic
Completed: Amati: HMS Prince (old 1:78 version); Billings: Norske Love and Vasa; Mantua: La Couronne; Sergal: Mississippi Riverboat and La Soleil Royal
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Re: Mantua Sovereign of Seas

Postby GaryM » Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:58 pm

After 50 hours and 180 pieces, the ship is starting to come together. The instructions are necessary because of the intricate way this ship goes together. The pictures show each step clearly and the parts that are used.

The plywood walls need to be bent to follow the curved decks. If you soak them too much, they will start to separate or become soggy and not hold their shape. This kit includes some nice enhancements making it appear precisely made.
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Current build: Sergal Sovereign of the Seas
In Que: Sergal: Cutty Sark and Amerigo Vespucci; Billings Titanic
Completed: Amati: HMS Prince (old 1:78 version); Billings: Norske Love and Vasa; Mantua: La Couronne; Sergal: Mississippi Riverboat and La Soleil Royal
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Re: Mantua Sovereign of Seas

Postby popeye » Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:52 am

moving right along on this build Gary........looking very nice!
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Re: Mantua Sovereign of Seas

Postby GaryM » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:12 pm

Thanks Dennis. It does go together rather fast.
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Current build: Sergal Sovereign of the Seas
In Que: Sergal: Cutty Sark and Amerigo Vespucci; Billings Titanic
Completed: Amati: HMS Prince (old 1:78 version); Billings: Norske Love and Vasa; Mantua: La Couronne; Sergal: Mississippi Riverboat and La Soleil Royal
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Re: Mantua Sovereign of Seas

Postby edmay » Sun Jul 27, 2014 2:45 pm

Hello Gary,You do nice work.I have this kit and would like to start it but,two others are to be finished first,The Admiral is not doing great ,that takes priority,but will follow yours if you do not mind and do some more learning.Edwin

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