Don's Santisima Trinidad by OcCre

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Re: Don's Santisima Trinidad by OcCre

Post by donlong » Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:21 pm

Hey there,

Well I found out I am a lot slower than I use to be BUT I think I can do the ship now. The following picture is the beginning of opening the captains quarters to have a view through the side windows. As you can see, I have stripped the quarters and opened up the sides.
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I still have some more clean-up to do. Removing the white paint is a real pain especially on wood. I used acetone but it is a slow process, plus the paint is two years old now.

From day one, I wanted to make the ST look as she did in 1805. I want to copper the hull, add the additional guns and paint her as described by Lt. William Lovell on the HMS Neptune at Trafalgar in 1805. The only drawback to this plan is the stern plate. If the research of Joaquin Rodriguez Crespo is correct, the 1805 stern plate is butt ugly.
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It is obvious that Spain had bigger plans for this ship than using her for a defensive gun platform in the harbor at Cadiz. She was dry docked from 1799 to 1804 where she was modified with the fourth deck and additional guns were added; none of which improve her handling or sailing qualities. Since she had already been in service (off and on) for 30 years by 1799, I am assuming the largest ship with the most fire power was truly the only goal. It would appear a fancy stern plate was not in these plans.

For me, I still would like the ST to be close to her final look in 1805.

Later,

Don
Current Build: Santisima Trinidad
Next in Line: HMS Victory

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Re: Don's Santisima Trinidad by OcCre

Post by Undersea4me » Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:10 pm

Sounds like it will be nice when you are done!

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Re: Don's Santisima Trinidad by OcCre

Post by donlong » Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:37 pm

Hello, hello,

Since the beginning of this build, I have always fretted about the stern of this ship. The metal plate that comes with the kit is the 1778 version. The one I want to build is the 1805 version. Looking at the Crespo drawing, the windows are skewed, bowed out and rounded from side to side. Well, my decks are flat. The bowing out; I can do. The skewed windows I was not sure if it was a perspective view or a true representation. So with the flip of a coin, it is now a true representation.

Since the stern is a scratch build I like to make patterns, test them, then use the pattern to cut the pieces I need. Unfortunately, I could not use the Crespo drawing because of the rounded decks. So after screwing around with PhotoShop, I came up with the following for my patterns.

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Obviously the columns and the railings are missing. What I am going for is the placement of the windows and the two doors. I skewed the end windows to match the angle of the stern plate. I then changed the skew by 3 degrees on each window inwards. I am fairly confident that the side windows will come to life in the same manner.

So onward to making the pieces and fitting them.

Later,

Don
Current Build: Santisima Trinidad
Next in Line: HMS Victory

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Re: Don's Santisima Trinidad by OcCre

Post by donlong » Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:55 pm

It's me again,
I have determined I need a stern plate arch (for lack of a better term), then separate pieces for the door and window areas. This shot is the template glued to a sheet of thin (1/8”) plywood.

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I glued the entire template down even though I only need the arch. This keeps the legs of the arch from getting cattywampus (that's a word, huh?). The door and window area templates I have glued to a thinner (1/32”) sheet of plywood. These pieces need to be flexible as they will be bowed outward some. Here is the door and window pieces that have been glued to the plywood and then rough cut.

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Here is the door and window pieces roughly fitted to the stern.

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From this point several things have to happen at once. I need to fit the stern arch to the ship. Then the posts between the decks that I left when I cut out the sides needs to be removed completely. Next the door and window pieces need to be fitted precisely to the stern. Then the windows and doors needs to be cut open.

After that, I need to make the window pieces for the sides. During my down time (my hands really hurt plus there's always house projects) I have been determining how I want the quarters look. You know when you take on something like this; there is an awful lot of detail work to consider. I don’t plan on getting too crazy with it but I do want it to be worth my effort.

Thought I would show you my progress.
Later,

Don
Current Build: Santisima Trinidad
Next in Line: HMS Victory

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Re: Don's Santisima Trinidad by OcCre

Post by donlong » Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:07 pm

Hey there,

I was reviewing my build log and discovered I was about to make a major mistake. I found I had actually added the decks for the quarters. After two years of being dormant, I had forgotten this point. If I remove the posts as I mentioned, there would be nothing to support the decks. So I will have to mount the stern plate arch BEFORE I remove the posts. This is not an issue but something worth pointing out if anyone is following this build.

Later Don
Current Build: Santisima Trinidad
Next in Line: HMS Victory

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Re: Don's Santisima Trinidad by OcCre

Post by donlong » Mon Sep 04, 2017 1:49 pm

Aloha,

I am finally making progress; at least for me. As you saw in the last post, I have all the pieces cut out for the stern plate. Now I have the stern arch, shaped and installed, as in glued, to the ST. The two shots are directly from the rear and one side shot. The side shot is somewhat blurry but you can definitely get an idea of what is going on. Oh, I also removed the support posts from the decks. This is still in the rough phase. A little move trim here; file there but it fits. So far: so good.

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Now I have a gazillion little windows to cut out (well maybe not a gazillion but it will seem like it with my issues) and do a final adjustment fit for each of the window plates. I also need to do some cleanup in the quarters.

Before I get crazy with the quarter detailing I need to make the side window panels. All-in-all; I am pleased.

Later Don
Current Build: Santisima Trinidad
Next in Line: HMS Victory

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Re: Don's Santisima Trinidad by OcCre

Post by donlong » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:40 pm

I got a question.

I have always been taught that God will not give you a greater burden than you can handle. I just wish HE was not so impressed with my abilities.

I am cutting out the windows for the window plates for the stern of the ST. Here is a shot of my rough cut.

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At the moment I am cutting them by hand using a very small triangular shaped needle file. The windows are typically 3/16” by 3/16”. I can do one of the panes in about 10 minutes. Well there are 9 to 12 panes per window and 9 windows on the 2nd and 3rd levels and 7 on the 1st level. Just on the 3rd level that is 108 panes. Total the other two levels and the side windows… well as you can see that’s a lot of cutting and filing. Since I have a Dremel Router Table and diamond router bits down to 1.0mm I got the bright idea of using this combination to rout out the bulk of the panes and then clean out the corners with the file.

I used the 1.0mm router bit so I would have room to move around. Regardless of router speed, it is a very slow process. Slower than doing it by hand. I was wondering if any of you guys have a recommendation for a router bit that would do this faster and easier. I have been looking at CNC router bits but am not sure they would work or maybe work too good, meaning I could not control it by hand.

I need to take a different tact on this. I can do the work but with my medical condition with my hands, it is painful.

Thanks in advance for any ideas you may have.

Later Don
Current Build: Santisima Trinidad
Next in Line: HMS Victory

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