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Model Shipways Sultana Schooner Build Log

Post by Donnie » Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:53 pm

May 18, 2006

Model Shipways - Sultana Colonial Schooner - Solid Hull Kit

Built by Benjamin Hollowell in Boston in 1767, Sultana was seaworthy far beyond her size of 51 feet. The Royal Navy bought her in 1768, and she became one of Britain´s most effective weapons in the fight against smugglers.

The Sultana comes with a machine carved basswood hull that requires a little light shaping and sanding. This kit also has other wooden parts, including a ship´s boat, which is laser cut for a perfect fit. Plank-scored decking, spars, wood materials and eight cast metal swivel guns are all included. For historical accuracy, original rigging is duplicated with cotton cordage and 67 wooden blocks. Detailed plans by Ben Lankford and a 24 page instruction manual help you build an authentic replica.

This is an Entry Level Kit

Length 17 inches Height 15 inches Scale 3/16 inches = 1 ft. (1:64)

Ok, so this is going to be very obvious to some and to others it may not be so apparent. There might be some here that have never tackled a wooden ship model before. I can only say that I have had a "taste" of it, but no completions. Wooden Ships will go together will a different type of personality if you will. There are a lot of differences that go beyond the scope of this posting that I am making now. Depending on the complexity of the wooden ship depends on how much "building" is done not "putting together".
This is why I choose the Sultana is that is has a combination of "putting together" and "building". And for heavens sake I certainly hope that I do not come across any certain way by describing "putting together" and "building" as both applies to making a model. I am sure however, that some will contest my witting and my attempt to help. My time is limited right now, so I am in a bind to be less wordy about it at the moment. Now, The discussion at this moment for this build is about Adhesives I done some research about what kind of glue to use with wooden ships. Like I said, bear with me. I have found that if you use Cynoacrylate or CA (super glue) then that is ok, but one thing that some needs to think about is this: If you plan to finish your Sultana with like a natural stain or whatever (instead of painting colors), you might find that the CA glues will not allow your stain to get thru, but will "block" that stain.

If you want to stain naturally your ship, you might want to consider using some products like Titebond original, regular Carpenters Glue and or a product called Weldbond. These later glues allow for stains to be applied and they are also "sandable" whereas the CA glues will dry on the surface hard and maybe crusty depending on your expertise of applications. I am going to go with a variety of CA and some locally bought Titebond from Lowes. I think the Titebond will dry fast enough for what I want to do. My ambition here is not to get carried away with Adhesives, but just to put some thoughts out there for this project coming up. I am not going to go with a stain per say, but I think the mast might have a stain look to it. I will use the Titebond or something similar with that as it will not hinder the looks of the mast or yards. But on parts that will be hidden, then the CA will do fine. There are also some applicator tips that you can use to make sure that too much CA is not being used. I tend to be a little allergic for some reason of the CA. I found that ZAP makes a non-odor variety or non-allergic. It does cost more, but it actually works (no allergic reaction no odors).
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Re: Model Shipways Sultana Schooner Build Log

Post by Donnie » Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:02 pm

I thought I would try my best at informing everyone about the colors that I ordered as part of the package. The Model Shipways part number is MS2016 which includes 9 bottles of paint. It is actually eight colors (the 9th bottle is an extra Primer - you have two bottles of Primer).

Ok, so I tried my hand using my paint program to duplicate those colors the best that I could. Now, the deal is that I know that everyone is going to have their Computer Monitor set up a slight different. But, at least we have some type of representation of what is going on here with the paint. The paint is also 100% Acrylic Paint that comes 1 oz in a nice glass bottle. The bottles are rather larger than I would have thought. Handles nicely in the hands. Dilute with water.

So here goes the color scheme (please remember this is the best match I could get).
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MS4839 Primer
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Re: Model Shipways Sultana Schooner Build Log

Post by Donnie » Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:03 pm

Tonight I have settled down and decided to get the manual out for a good intro reading and seeing what this ship is all about. I was wondering if any of you have done the same? I must admit that in reading the first few pages in "shaping the hull", I am either slightly confused or something. I don´t want to hop ahead of anyone because I think that we have one modeler left that will be getting theirs in shortly. What is every bodies impression of the kit so far of those that have it in hand? I noticed that at the beginning of reading that it says that there are different ways to make the hull and they do leave it to a modelers experience and decisions about how to do the hull. I must say that I hate making decisions like this Confused - now I don´t know if I want to plank it or just build it from plans or what the heck to do. I would like to get some opinions and advise. This is going to be interesting because I don´t think that any two Sultanas are going to be the same Make a Toast.
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Post by Donnie » Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:03 pm

June 02, 2006
I hope I don´t get thrown over-board for this, but I also noticed that http://www.micromark.com has some rigging line. I have not scrutinized it, but it is at least an effort to go to the site and see. If you go to the search and type in rigging, it will come up with various rigging thread. Also, I personally have found that just about any hobby store will have Bead making materials and for instance Hobby Lobby has hundreds and hundreds of various lines and threading. I know that this is not what everybody is looking for, but I found my stuff in the Jewelry making section. I am not an expert on rigging line, but I have come up with some ideas just by looking in the most unthoughtful of places.
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Re: Model Shipways Sultana Schooner Build Log

Post by Donnie » Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:06 pm

June 11, 2006
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Post by popeye » Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:41 pm

I have never tried one of these types of builds......then again, I've only built a couple already. once I get caught up with my builds, who knows what I'll come out with next :wink: looks like you have the hull task well in hand.

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Re: Model Shipways Sultana Schooner Build Log

Post by papership » Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:12 pm

Howdy Donnie, this one has a special place in my heart.
While stationed @ Ft Stewart, GA. I purchased this very kit from a Hobby Shop in Savannah, GA.
Now I had plently of builds in plastic and some w/Scientific Kits, of which are solid wood hulls too.
When I got home and opened the box, my jaw dropped.
Up to this point, I had never really seen such a detailed little vessel.
So now I get to re-live those days watching you build yours.
One of the coolest ones I have seen, the guy cut the bottom half out of the hull, replaced w/scale ribs and built the ship as a opened ship on one side. The rest received a very attention to detail build.
looking forward to more of your build, I have noted your meticlus attention to the right shape, squarness and clean build style.
Back when I built this, the goal was to get built. Might have to give another a try someday :?:
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Re: Model Shipways Sultana Schooner Build Log

Post by Donnie » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:16 pm

Be aware that the Profile template seems to be off about 1/16¨ in lenght. (too long about 1/16?). I think that someone made mention that due to repeatedly copying that is causing the template to be off just a bit.
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Re: Model Shipways Sultana Schooner Build Log

Post by Donnie » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:18 pm

June 15th, 2006

Well, I haven#180;t heard from anyone lately, so I don´t know if that is a good sign or if everybody is scratching their heads! For me, I am sanding and staring at the plans trying to decide whats next. I have only "profiled" the hull and marked the center lines. thats it! I made a small error and sanded just a tad too much on the transom, but that was easily repaired. I am now on to trying to mark the other templates onto the side of the hull. I personally have stopped myself several times with almost making several mistakes. As they say - measure twice, cut once. But with me, I am measuring 3 to 5 times and cutting. Unless someone else is different, it is so easy to make a mistake on the hull carving.
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Post by Donnie » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:19 pm

Go slowly as it is easy to carve too much before you realize it. I hope to start carving on the hull this evening. I decided to go ahead and remove my bulwarks and I am glad that I did - it does seem to make things easier, however, everyone should feel free to express their modeling taste. Also, marking the center lines can be tricky too. I bought me a center ruler or a zero center ruler. Very nifty item I must say.
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