Xebec CAZADOR Occre 1:60 scale

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Re: Xebec CAZADOR Occre 1:60 scale

Post by sideliner » Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:52 pm

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Re: Xebec CAZADOR Occre 1:60 scale

Post by sideliner » Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:22 pm

Paul
Thanks for the suggestions. I am still a little confused. The transom has a 5mm offset as it tails towards the keel. Do you mean that this should be removed? Part of the confusion on my part may be about part # 28( below deck reinforcement). If that is removed between transom and last two frames, there will be a small gap between 1st plank and edge of deck (under deck). As far as I can tell the bulwarks(you refer to them as ply?) are sitting on the protruding edge of P/N 28 (below deck reinforcement) Did I misread the build plan?. I have attached some pics that may clarify my confusion. Hope I have not over thought this issue :D
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5mm jog in transom profile.jpg
was this jog on all kits.
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below deck reinforcements #28.jpg
Before I put reinforcement at stern
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Caz transom 3.jpg
another look at 5mm jog or offset
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removing  support will leave gap between deck and 1st plank.jpg
leaving this intact will still allow 1st plank to be vertical leaving a small deck overhang
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view of reinforcement from below
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Re: Xebec CAZADOR Occre 1:60 scale

Post by paulv1958 » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:53 am

Hi

Have a look at page 1 of my build. The rear has no lip, it is a smooth transition.
The supports sit directly under the deck flush to the edging ( you have to sand then to fit), not where you have them.

Look at photos DSC03060.jpg ,DSC03065.jpg,DSC03066.jpg ,DSC03074.jpg. The planking just follows directly underneath the balwalks.
If you look at DSC03090.jpg,91,94 it looks a little like yours but that's because the outer planing coves the thickness of the balwalk and there are no planks below.
The balwalks should curve hard against the rear bulkhead.
re check. There is no supports under the balwalks at the rear.
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Re: Xebec CAZADOR Occre 1:60 scale

Post by WilliamMorrison » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:31 pm

I will do so. I have to admit that I have been inundated over the years with many negative comments about most plank-on-bulkhead kits, but I love them! I am thoroughly enjoying watching your model come along, and love reading about how others overcome problems. I have concluded that these models are as good as the builder. You are doing a fantastic job!

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Re: Xebec CAZADOR Occre 1:60 scale

Post by sideliner » Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:13 pm

Thanks Paul for your patience.
I finally understand your input and will start working on corrections. My brain just would not accept that Occre would leave a transom frame that would require that much re shaping (and not mention it in the instructions). I had big issues with BENJAMIN LATHAMs stern and eventually just built my way so I guess I should not be surprised. Is this small "gotcha" common in these type of kits? Thank goodness I followed your build.

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Re: Xebec CAZADOR Occre 1:60 scale

Post by paulv1958 » Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:03 pm

Hi Sideliner.

All kits and manufacturers have learning humps and areas that need improving in relation to instructions. All the Newer kits tend to have far better doco, but still miss the plot sometimes. Some assume you have built before ( intermediate - advanced kits) and know how to do things. I've yet to find a kit that details planking...
The Chinese kits pre cut the planks to shape/ The others you have to. Some double plank, some single.

This is what build log forums are all about. We all learn and love to share. Were not machines, we all do things differently.

Glad I could assist

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Re: Xebec CAZADOR Occre 1:60 scale

Post by sideliner » Fri Nov 24, 2017 6:21 pm

IMG_0075[1].jpg
Correcting errors on stern frame
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Good Day to All
I continue my build at a much slower pace due in part to holiday(Thanksgiving) but mostly because I am taking so long to shape each hull plank. Basically hand sanding each plank to indicated widths. I have tried marking and cutting with blade but find it tedious and dangerous.
You may note from pics that I finally grasped the kits intent and reshaped the stern frame while removing the previously attached lining from the back side of stern frame. I will continue hull planking half way to keel then attach garboard plank. I have scored a small rabbit along the keel to facilitate this plank.
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Correcting errors on stern frame
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Peeling off lining relatively easy
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tick marks indicating number of planks needed
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Hand sanding planks at about 45 min per
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Continue planking
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Re: Xebec CAZADOR Occre 1:60 scale

Post by paulv1958 » Fri Nov 24, 2017 8:54 pm

Hi sideliner

Great recovery, love the way a wood kit can be corrected, Your'e doing a super job. The planking looks good, take time and enjoy it.

Paul
Underway:
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AL Endeavour Longboat
AL Spanish Galleon Heritage Kit
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Caldercraft Endeavour.
AL King of Mississippi
Occre Xebec
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Re: Xebec CAZADOR Occre 1:60 scale

Post by sideliner » Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:50 pm

Thanks Paul
I have been complaining to myself about how long I was taking to sand down each plank. Finally woke up and put my mini plane to work. Only takes a minute or two to shape each plank and gives a much more uniform surface.
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mini plane
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